Does Beyoncés overall greatness make people forget about her great singing capability??

[I love Latina women]

she can sing but i don't feel it
beyonce lacks a certain emotion that comes when singin' with emotion
i think her singin' is bland

 

[Free White & 21]

I never really liked her tone, its too much like a high school chick but this performance had a nikka wanting to get married.



This is a rough ass performance but she's so talented and beautiful here

The black woman

 

[JustCKing]

LOL. either youre lying about your age or r&b just isn't your thing. which one is it? you aint gotta lie to kick it breh. just be real instead of wasting my time.

lol @ it taking beyonce 12 years to reach "B" status. lol. what?

Aaliyah was in the game 7 years and PAST her prime before she died. and yet, you still couldn't drop not one clip to back up your statement about her so-called great performances.

also, beyonce had already lapped Aaliyah before she died. she was much bigger than Aaliyah in 2001. hell, she passed Aaliyah up with that "writings on the wall" album in 1999, which was just year two.

listen man, Aaliyah was a propped up minimal talent that made some great singles and had a cool lil style(that wasn't even original). we liked her for what she was, and she peaked with her 2nd album. she was never taken seriously as a force to be reckoned with or a future goat or nothing like that. this idea that she was on the verge of being some sort of r&b juggernaut is revisionist kid mess.

and again, please post some of these great aaliyah performances. SHOW THE TAPES. destinys child had already had plenty of notable performances back then, including their own special on FOX. but let yall tell it, they were trailing behind the great unstoppable force known as aaliyah.

Flawed, weak arguments for the following reasons:

1) You're comparing a GROUP to a SOLO artist. Destiny's Child =/= Beyoncé and it's laughable that you'd even compare them to Aaliyah especially when Beyoncé never matched the success of Writing's On The Wall herself. But I'll play the game because all you're doing is showing how deep your obsession with discrediting Aaliyah runs. If we're using Writing's On The Wall as a barometer for how Beyoncé passed Aaliyah, then the same applies to every R&B artist in the game. You're pretty much conceding that Beyoncé passed Mary J. Blige (who dropped an album around the same time), Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Monica, Brandy and pretty much every other R&B singer not named Lauryn Hill.

2) How was Beyoncé bigger than Aaliyah by 2001 when she was still with Destiny's Child? Beyoncé wasn't a solo artist. In fact, when Beyoncé went solo, her first Neptunes produced single "Work It Out" flopped. Beyoncé as a solo artist didn't take off until "'03 Bonnie & Clyde", but of course we're going to overlook that. Do we also overlook that a solo Beyoncé didn't officially take off until she dropped "Crazy In Love" in '03.

3) I challenge you to prove where someone said Aaliyah was GOAT.

4) Aaliyah was never taken seriously is revision. FACT: Janet Jackson wanted to work with Aaliyah when she had the chance to work with anyone. FACT #2 Brandy saw Aaliyah as an inspiration. FACT #3 The same Aaliyah was inspiration to Beyoncé. I could go on.

4) Your insecurity speaks loudly when you have to use "we" to refer to your own opinions. It is as if you just can't say what you personally think and keep it moving without trying to pass it off as fact. If we're honest, every artist (even greats) is mediocre and even wack to somebody. The difference is, some people actually have a spine and aren't afraid to just say, "In my opinion (insert artist) is wack)" or "I think...".

 

[Formerly known as...]

Beyonce could sing. Its not the best but shes definitely a step above aaliyah

Agree 100 with this. Aaliyah was good, but she died young and didn't reach her peak so we will never know where she would have taken it, but in her time she didn't show us much regarding great stage presence, GREAT vocals etc. She had a great production/writing team in Timbo and Missy but Beyonce is a great artist, she really is. Vocally and live shows.

Aaliyah IMO wasn't anywhere near Beyonce vocally unless someone can show me otherwise?

 

[King Sun]

Agree 100 with this. Aaliyah was good, but she died young and didn't reach her peak so we will never know where she would have taken it, but in her time she didn't show us much regarding great stage presence, GREAT vocals etc. She had a great production/writing team in Timbo and Missy but Beyonce is a great artist, she really is. Vocally and live shows.

Aaliyah IMO wasn't anywhere near Beyonce vocally unless someone can show me otherwise?

People just throwing out comparisons just because. If anything you could compare beyonce to diana ross or tina turner

 

[Formerly known as...]

Flawed, weak arguments for the following reasons:

1) You're comparing a GROUP to a SOLO artist. Destiny's Child =/= Beyoncé and it's laughable that you'd even compare them to Aaliyah especially when Beyoncé never matched the success of Writing's On The Wall herself. But I'll play the game because all you're doing is showing how deep your obsession with discrediting Aaliyah runs. If we're using Writing's On The Wall as a barometer for how Beyoncé passed Aaliyah, then the same applies to every R&B artist in the game. You're pretty much conceding that Beyoncé passed Mary J. Blige (who dropped an album around the same time), Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Monica, Brandy and pretty much every other R&B singer not named Lauryn Hill.

2) How was Beyoncé bigger than Aaliyah by 2001 when she was still with Destiny's Child? Beyoncé wasn't a solo artist. In fact, when Beyoncé went solo, her first Neptunes produced single "Work It Out" flopped. Beyoncé as a solo artist didn't take off until "'03 Bonnie & Clyde", but of course we're going to overlook that. Do we also overlook that a solo Beyoncé didn't officially take off until she dropped "Crazy In Love" in '03.

3) I challenge you to prove where someone said Aaliyah was GOAT.

4) Aaliyah was never taken seriously is revision. FACT: Janet Jackson wanted to work with Aaliyah when she had the chance to work with anyone. FACT #2 Brandy saw Aaliyah as an inspiration. FACT #3 The same Aaliyah was inspiration to Beyoncé. I could go on.

4) Your insecurity speaks loudly when you have to use "we" to refer to your own opinions. It is as if you just can't say what you personally think and keep it moving without trying to pass it off as fact. If we're honest, every artist (even greats) is mediocre and even wack to somebody. The difference is, some people actually have a spine and aren't afraid to just say, "In my opinion (insert artist) is wack)" or "I think...".

To be fair breh Crazy in love was her first single for her debut album, 'work it out' was just a soundtrack song.

As for Aaliyah, nobody is going to talk bad about her or negatively towards her as she is dead. If Beyonce died today, Sooo many artists will flat out say they thought she was the GOAT and her live shows etc were flawless. I am sure Beyonce was inspired by Aaliyah as Aaliyah broke out first so that is obvious, MJ was inspired by James Brown but nobody is saying James Brown > MJ. EVER.

Aaliyah died to soon for comparison really but Vocally, Beyonce is far superior. Let's be real

 

[JustCKing]

To be fair breh Crazy in love was her first single for her debut album, 'work it out' was just a soundtrack song.

As for Aaliyah, nobody is going to talk bad about her or negatively towards her as she is dead. If Beyonce died today, Sooo many artists will flat out say they thought she was the GOAT and her live shows etc were flawless. I am sure Beyonce was inspired by Aaliyah as Aaliyah broke out first so that is obvious, MJ was inspired by James Brown but nobody is saying James Brown > MJ. EVER.

Aaliyah died to soon for comparison really but Vocally, Beyonce is far superior. Let's be real

To be fair breh Crazy in love was her first single for her debut album, 'work it out' was just a soundtrack song.

As for Aaliyah, nobody is going to talk bad about her or negatively towards her as she is dead. If Beyonce died today, Sooo many artists will flat out say they thought she was the GOAT and her live shows etc were flawless. I am sure Beyonce was inspired by Aaliyah as Aaliyah broke out first so that is obvious, MJ was inspired by James Brown but nobody is saying James Brown > MJ. EVER.

Aaliyah died to soon for comparison really but Vocally, Beyonce is far superior. Let's be real

"Crazy In Love" was in fact the first single from her debut album, but it wasn't Beyoncé's "debut" so to speak. "Work It Out" was pretty much the first single that showcased Beyoncé as a solo artist. That's a fact. Whether it was a soundtrack song or not is irrelevant. This was the launch of Beyoncé as a solo act outside of Destiny's Child. It would be like saying "In Da Club" was 50's first single even though he had "Wanksta" and other singles prior to signing with Shady/Aftermath. It would be like saying "Wanksta" was just a soundtrack song.

Beyoncé is already heralded as the GOAT and she's still breathing. Everything that positive that people say about Beyoncé now is what will ultimately be canonized and written into narrative. She wouldn't have to die. If she announced she was retiring, she'd go down GOAT status. Aaliyah was never considered a GOAT, but she was positively viewed as a trend setter and groundbreaker by critics and peers. That's the type of stuff that's canonized and written into narrative. It's her naysayers that take hyperbolic statements from her stans and throw shots at her by saying she doesn't deserve the praise. It's the same way Beyoncé stans claim Beyoncé is >>>>> Whitney, Michael Jackson, etc. and it turns into people becoming Beyoncé haters because of it.

Breh, how are you going to say nobody is going to talk negatively of her because she's dead. This is the Internet. Nothing is sacred. Dead people catch it possibly worse than people who are living. Even though some of it is trolling. Some of it is very real. I mean, a real person came up with that Aaliyah diss that Styles P was rumored to have made. Even if it's fake, somebody real wrote it and tried to pass it off as Styles P lyrics.

As far as the Beyoncé vs. Aaliyah thing, it's a fallacy. I never once said that Aaliyah was >>>>> Beyoncé. I was stating that these artists were inspired by Aaliyah to back up the fact that she did indeed mean something. As far as the MJ/James Brown comparison, that's way off the marker because a lot of people hold the opinion that James Brown >>>>> Michael Jackson (a lot of them are older people who were around to experience both). Still, the comparison wasn't to state which one was greater. It was to state that Aaliyah wasn't some rinky dink, flash in the pan singer that she's being made out to be.

I never got why people even felt the need to state Beyoncé being superior to Aaliyah anyway. If it's that obvious, what reason is their to state that Beyoncé is vocally superior when few people would even object.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Flawed, weak arguments for the following reasons:

1) You're comparing a GROUP to a SOLO artist. Destiny's Child =/= Beyoncé and it's laughable that you'd even compare them to Aaliyah especially when Beyoncé never matched the success of Writing's On The Wall herself. But I'll play the game because all you're doing is showing how deep your obsession with discrediting Aaliyah runs. If we're using Writing's On The Wall as a barometer for how Beyoncé passed Aaliyah, then the same applies to every R&B artist in the game. You're pretty much conceding that Beyoncé passed Mary J. Blige (who dropped an album around the same time), Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Monica, Brandy and pretty much every other R&B singer not named Lauryn Hill.

2) How was Beyoncé bigger than Aaliyah by 2001 when she was still with Destiny's Child? Beyoncé wasn't a solo artist. In fact, when Beyoncé went solo, her first Neptunes produced single "Work It Out" flopped. Beyoncé as a solo artist didn't take off until "'03 Bonnie & Clyde", but of course we're going to overlook that. Do we also overlook that a solo Beyoncé didn't officially take off until she dropped "Crazy In Love" in '03.

3) I challenge you to prove where someone said Aaliyah was GOAT.

4) Aaliyah was never taken seriously is revision. FACT: Janet Jackson wanted to work with Aaliyah when she had the chance to work with anyone. FACT #2 Brandy saw Aaliyah as an inspiration. FACT #3 The same Aaliyah was inspiration to Beyoncé. I could go on.

4) Your insecurity speaks loudly when you have to use "we" to refer to your own opinions. It is as if you just can't say what you personally think and keep it moving without trying to pass it off as fact. If we're honest, every artist (even greats) is mediocre and even wack to somebody. The difference is, some people actually have a spine and aren't afraid to just say, "In my opinion (insert artist) is wack)" or "I think...".

you still didn't answer my tag in that silk thread, and youre still ducking from me in 3 other threads(maybe more).

but for some reason, you expect me to read this long drawn out post.

GET REAL. you get respect when you give it. i'll gladly shut this bullchit post down after your address my posts that you ran from in those other threads. and don't play dumb and ask me "what posts".

 

[Demonic Jenkins]

Serious question


Everyone acklowdeges that she's a great performer and there's no debate to that. But reading that she's not that great of a singer, and things like she can't sing better than Aaliyah, Monica, Mary, brandy etc has me a bit stumped.

Whose songs you like better will always be an opinion but how the hell are people overlooking her superior vocal talent?



She can sing or dance better than Aaliyah.......
Aaliyah

Gtfoh

Man I agree. shyt be killing me. She's far superior of a singer than the artists you named and I feel like she's the best technical vocalists in mainstream rnb easily

 

[Regular_P]

I heard both versions of "My Boo" before the single with Usher and Alicia Keys got released...never looked at Beyonce quite the same afterwards. The Keys version dwarfed the one with Beyonce. Keys was on another level.

Beyonce's a good singer, but she's clearly a notch below the all-time greats.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I heard both versions of "My Boo" before the single with Usher and Alicia Keys got released...never looked at Beyonce quite the same afterwards. The Keys version dwarfed the one with Beyonce. Keys was on another level.

Beyonce's a good singer, but she's clearly a notch below the all-time greats.

Alicia keys was kickin beyonce's ass back then.

r&b was still in okay shape. I thought we were gonna run with our trifecta of Alicia keys/keyshia cole/beyonce each standing atop their own lanes.

now its just beyonce and she has just about all the top writers & producers on deck. and a ton of r&b fans are left disenchanted.

 

[Harry B]

Singing voice is overrated if you can't make good music. Just like dribbling skills or whatever in basketball is overrated if you can't generate points.
But yes, Beyonce has a phenomenal voice.

But I couldn't even really care about that, the fact that she's one of the few broads saving R&B by being creative (or using others peoples creativity) for her past two-three past albums is why I think she's great. For years R&B was just about that same old boring ass love song recipe. No concepts to album, recycling songs worse than Birdman or Mike Jones and shyt, lyrically basic as fukk, but never got criticized for it. Then came The-Dream and revolutionized the game .

That having a voice shyt nearly killed the genre, the weakest genre out for a while with no progression at all. That's why cats like Tank and Tyrese thought they were the shyt, when their music was simple ass songs that they remade 500 times, just cause they have a "voice".

 

[Standing on business]

Alicia keys has access to the same writers and producers that Beyoncé has



Alicia keys cant sing anywhere near as good as Beyoncé, in fact keys has to stay in her minimal range or else she starts to sound horrible

 

[JustCKing]

you still didn't answer my tag in that silk thread, and youre still ducking from me in 3 other threads(maybe more).

but for some reason, you expect me to read this long drawn out post.

GET REAL. you get respect when you give it. i'll gladly shut this bullchit post down after your address my posts that you ran from in those other threads. and don't play dumb and ask me "what posts".

And yet again, you don't have a response, yet I'm the one that's doing the ducking. Silk has nothing to do with this thread neither do the other two threads. The other two threads you're referring to, you did the same thing, you're doing here: "I stopped reading", "you're typing essays". You lack the logic to shut down anything. If you were going to shut down anything, you'd put up or shut up.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Singing voice is overrated if you can't make good music. Just like dribbling skills or whatever in basketball is overrated if you can't generate points.
But yes, Beyonce has a phenomenal voice.

But I couldn't even really care about that, the fact that she's one of the few broads saving R&B by being creative (or using others peoples creativity) for her past two-three past albums is why I think she's great. For years R&B was just about that same old boring ass love song recipe. No concepts to album, recycling songs worse than Birdman or Mike Jones and shyt, lyrically basic as fukk, but never got criticized for it. Then came The-Dream and revolutionized the game .

That having a voice shyt nearly killed the genre, the weakest genre out for a while with no progression at all. That's why cats like Tank and Tyrese thought they were the shyt, when their music was simple ass songs that they remade 500 times, just cause they have a "voice".

oh great.

I see this fountain of misinformation is taking his act on the road and posting in r&b threads now.

worst post in this thread by far man. go somewhere.