Does luck play an important part when it comes to success?

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I do believe that luck is apart of the formula to success as well as mentioning work ethic,talent etc.And I am not trying to underplay the importance of dedication and hard work, but the journey of success for many people who came from humble backgrounds had luck on their side.
And even people who were born into wealth were lucky
So would you agree or disagree?
 

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No such thing as luck, imo, people create their own paths - it’s about perseverance, timing, opportunities, circumstances, the environments that people expose themselves to.

From op’s example, Just because people are born into wealth or acquire wealth doesn’t necessarily mean their lucky- if they don’t have the skills or knowledge to maintain or improve on what they have; or make bad decisions then they lose. If you have money or reach a certain status in society but you do so by selling out or shyting on other people to get ahead, still losing.
I don’t believe in luck but I do believe in karma - whatever energy you put out there , good or bad, will come back at you. If you have a mind for success, put in the effort, humble yourself, and maintain the right attitude and value system then things will fall into place in expected and unexpected positive ways.
 

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I think it does. But I've noticed some people have a problem with folks saying that - I'm guessing because they assume you're saying hard work doesn't matter or that success is solely dependent on some "magical" bullshyt - but it's true imo. To me "luck" just means a deviation from normal circumstances that gives someone an added advantage.

I look at it like this, you can have 5 people all following the same path. Same intelligence, same skill sets, same drive, etc. But 1 of those 5 people happens to go to a bar one night and gets to talking to some exec who offers him a job. The other 4 people are just as motivated and skilled and all that, but only one of them was in the bar that night. Being in the right place at the right time accounted for more success than just working hard.

I am in no way saying working hard and 'grinding' doesn't pay off, but you can't tell me that some folks don't inexplicably get additional opportunities that many others in their position simply don't. I guess that sounds discouraging to some but that doesn't mean you should ever stop trying to make it.
 

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No such thing as luck, imo, people create their own paths - it’s about perseverance, timing, opportunities, circumstances, the environments that people expose themselves to.

From op’s example, Just because people are born into wealth or acquire wealth doesn’t necessarily mean their lucky- if they don’t have the skills or knowledge to maintain or improve on what they have; or make bad decisions then they lose. If you have money or reach a certain status in society but you do so by selling out or shyting on other people to get ahead, still losing.
I don’t believe in luck but I do believe in karma - whatever energy you put out there , good or bad, will come back at you. If you have a mind for success, put in the effort, humble yourself, and maintain the right attitude and value system then things will fall into place in expected and unexpected positive ways.


Well I do believe in the probabilities of life and people are given the outcomes that are based on the probabilities that have been set . So want you have been handed in terms of genetics,physical appearance,intelligence will have either a permanent or temporary effect on your outcome in life.Again being given an opportunity to advance or to be put through a make or break situation is down to luck.As such opportunities are not created often.
But I am talking about success from a financial perspective.So when we look at nepotism and how that can grant people who are mediocre or average the rewards of success.
Trump was lucky to become a president and he is a nasty person but yet he wealthy due to being born into wealth. Kylie jenner was lucky enough to be born into a rich family and was also lucky enough to capitalize of off social media with her brand.
 

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timing, opportunities, circumstances, the environments that people expose themselves to.
that's all luck is
To me "luck" just means a deviation from normal circumstances that gives someone an added advantage.

I look at it like this, you can have 5 people all following the same path. Same intelligence, same skill sets, same drive, etc. But 1 of those 5 people happens to go to a bar one night and gets to talking to some exec who offers him a job. The other 4 people are just as motivated and skilled and all that, but only one of them was in the bar that night.
Exactly.
I used to make music with several people who went on to be successful in the entertainment business and the only reason that happened was they meet the right people at the right time and received help and I didn't. In some cases I was more talented at writing and producing than they were and had a stronger work ethic. Went to the same showcases and performed in front of the same execs but my brother didn't work for atlantic records like my homie from high school, I didn't have a cousin in the NBA to found my career like a few others I know :francis:
 
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Of course. That’s why when you see an opportunity you seize that shyt. Be ready for it. If you get an opportunity to show the world (or the people that matter) you are the best. Then prove you are the best and let the chips fall where they may. Believe me when I say their are people out there working hard to not give you a shot. The reason you are working so hard is cuz that shot will come and you will capitalize. Making everyone analyze why they didn’t believe in you in the first place. Gotta be ready. Don’t let anything pass you by. When you get the chance showem what you got.
 
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Of course, but it goes against the "self-made man" myth, which itself is the foundation of good old "boostraps" capitalism.

Most people will already get mad when you tell them they are lucky to be born in a Western country, know how to read, have access to clean water, electricity, health care, education, live in a war-free zone, in a country where rule of law actually exists, with infrastructures, etc. Just for that they (we) are luckier than the majority of the planet. And that's just at birth, before even doing anything.

Aftewards, where you go to school (notice we consider it a given to even go to school), who your teachers are, the examples/role-models you have around you, all of that plays a big role in getting a break or even knowing that this or that opportunity exists. And that's just at the school level.

At this point you might already be much luckier than someone with the same skills/talent/work ethics just because of where you were born and where/with who you went to school. You're already in a better situation than the majority of Earth and you still haven't given any real effort.

Now it depends what you do with all of this, but saying that people start off at the same level is right-wing bs tbh. People repeat it because it makes them feel good about themselves ("I did all this by myself!") and means you don't have to adress any systemic priveleges some have over others. So if they don't succeed, it's their fault.

And then yes one has to be ready to "take advantage" of meeting the right people, knowing how to promote yourself, all of that stuff...which is also an acquired social skill btw, that one will more likely have...if he/she has been in such situations before and/or has had the opportunity to build these social skills. Or someone told them to be ready. Or they head someone else's story about how they got their break, etc.

You see all these "motivational" speeches and videos and it always seems to be that the person just made it thanks to "hard work, grit and determination" while never taking into account the macro situation.

Work obviously is extremely important, but you can work as hard as you want on your jumpshot it won't matter much if you're in some random village in Central African Republic and no one is there to see you. shyt you might be lucky to even have a ball in the first place.
 

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Short answer yes.....an uncountable amount of people have worked extremely hard their entire lives and never reached the promise land. Hard work insures money...but luck in most cases insures success
 
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No such thing as luck, imo, people create their own paths - it’s about perseverance, timing, opportunities, circumstances, the environments that people expose themselves to.

From op’s example, Just because people are born into wealth or acquire wealth doesn’t necessarily mean their lucky- if they don’t have the skills or knowledge to maintain or improve on what they have; or make bad decisions then they lose. If you have money or reach a certain status in society but you do so by selling out or shyting on other people to get ahead, still losing.
I don’t believe in luck but I do believe in karma - whatever energy you put out there , good or bad, will come back at you. If you have a mind for success, put in the effort, humble yourself, and maintain the right attitude and value system then things will fall into place in expected and unexpected positive ways.
Being born rich, hitting the lotto or something similar or even just winning the genetic lottery aren't considered luck to u
:comeon:
 

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No such thing as luck, imo, people create their own paths - it’s about perseverance, timing, opportunities, circumstances, the environments that people expose themselves to.

From op’s example, Just because people are born into wealth or acquire wealth doesn’t necessarily mean their lucky- if they don’t have the skills or knowledge to maintain or improve on what they have; or make bad decisions then they lose. If you have money or reach a certain status in society but you do so by selling out or shyting on other people to get ahead, still losing.
I don’t believe in luck but I do believe in karma - whatever energy you put out there , good or bad, will come back at you. If you have a mind for success, put in the effort, humble yourself, and maintain the right attitude and value system then things will fall into place in expected and unexpected positive ways.
This is the definition of luck :skip:
 
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Luck plays the biggest role:yeshrug:. Theres millions of people who get up each day and put in more work than the ceo of a multi million dollar company. Yet 80% of the world is poor af. Being succesful has ALOT to do with luck.
 
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