Does "rape culture" really exist?

[Gold]

I say yes.

"Boys will be boys"
"She shouldnt have been dressed like that if she didnt want it."
"She was just playing hard-to-get."
"She fukked everyone guy in town. She couldn't have been raped. She wanted it."
"She's a whore. It wasn't rape, it was theft."
"She knew what she was doing when she went upstairs with him."

Obviously, like most things its complicated.

Timeout... pause.. hold up.


I think you are confusing common phrases said by rape apologist with actual rape culture. I'm not defending rape apologist, but there is a huge difference that is being largely ignored in this thread.This applies to most post in the thread.. not just to you.

I'm just gonna be real for a sec... most Americans honestly don't know shyt about real rape culture. Rape culture is when it is completely accepted or completely ignored in society at large. If you screamed rape today, you would most likely be able to get the police and the media and friends and family on your side vehemently pursuing legal action (if you so desired)


You guys dont know how it is for women in other countries and are largely speaking out of ignorance
-Where if you cry rape your own father would rather disown you than say anything about it for the shame you brought upon the family.
-Where if you said that your husband raped you, the response would be along the lines of "so what? be a better wife"
-Where if a man of power raped your child you would have to just deal with it
-Where if a man of power raped your wife there is nothing that you can do legally about it
-Where officers and military men can and will rape local women in BROAD DAYLIGHT and no one will do shyt about it
-Where when girls come home from secondary school for the Boxing Day/Christmas break, they are told to avoid certain roads because they will most likely be raped, but no one does shyt about the rapist.
-Where the local Man of God will rape your wife and the entire congregation will turn a blind eye to it


That's real rape culture...

Pockets of this do exist in America but the entire culture accepting rape as just a fact of life?

Nah you guys have it relatively easy here... trust me.

 

[Verbal Kint]

Obviously sexual assault is horrible and wrong and can never be tolerated but the whole 'rape culture' stuff is less about actual rape and more about anything that feminists don't like. They want to be able to get black out drunk, screw anyone they want and then hold the other party accountable for their poor decisions in situations that are by nature murky

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I'm just gonna be real for a sec... most Americans honestly don't know shyt about real rape culture. Rape culture is when it is completely accepted or completely ignored in society at large. If you screamed rape today, you would most likely be able to get the police and the media and friends and family on your side vehemently pursuing legal action (if you so desired)

Ah the old distract and divert trick. More women get raped abroad so it's not a problem here. Everyone here isn't OK with rape so it's not a problem here. Etc. etc. These "talking points" are the "what about black on black crime" of rape.

And regarding rape and religion in the US....

“If a woman has (the right to an abortion), why shouldn’t a man be free to use his superior strength to force himself on a woman?” Lockman said. “At least the rapist’s pursuit of sexual freedom doesn’t (in most cases) result in anyone’s death.”

^^^ An elected official at a pro life rally.

If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.

^^^Another elected official on how women's bodies "shut down" pregnancies from rape.... a Jedi mind trick level spin on the "she wanted it" reprise of rape culture.

And of course there is this:

Christian website: Don’t look at your wife’s face during sex to enjoy it even when she resists

‘There is no such thing as marital rape’: Christian website says wives must yield for sex ‘no questions asked’

This is all in the US breh. And your quick reflex to point overseas is just another facet of this culture of denial of our issues here. Part of rape culture is a large swath of the community's inability or outright REFUSAL to even ACKNOWLEDGE it.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Obviously sexual assault is horrible and wrong and can never be tolerated but the whole 'rape culture' stuff is less about actual rape and more about anything that feminists don't like. They want to be able to get black out drunk, screw anyone they want and then hold the other party accountable for their poor decisions in situations that are by nature murky

No, rape culture is about rape culture, which is includes but is not limited to sustained efforts to avoid confronting the realities of rape in a given society, as you have been doing awwwwwwllll throughout this thread. Rape is bad blah blah but what about them damn feminists?

 

[Gold]

Ah the old distract and divert trick. More women get raped abroad so it's not a problem here. Everyone here isn't OK with rape so it's not a problem here. Etc. etc. These "talking points" are the "what about black on black crime" of rape.

And regarding rape and religion in the US....



^^^ An elected official at a pro life rally.



^^^Another elected official on how women's bodies "shut down" pregnancies from rape.... a Jedi mind trick level spin on the "she wanted it" reprise of rape culture.

And of course there is this:

Christian website: Don’t look at your wife’s face during sex to enjoy it even when she resists

‘There is no such thing as marital rape’: Christian website says wives must yield for sex ‘no questions asked’

This is all in the US breh. And your quick reflex to point overseas is just another facet of this culture of denial of our issues here. Part of rape culture is a large swath of the community's inability or outright REFUSAL to even ACKNOWLEDGE it.

In all cases you state they have been debated, laughed, and pointed to as ludicrous points of view in a 2015 society. The culture at large isn't buying this shyt. Even the links you provided are of articles chastising these views. As far as religion goes, there are many denominations and congregations in Christianity that would completely disavow any relationship with any church/pastor who claimed these views. Further proving my point that America as a whole isn't a-ok with rape like other countries largely are.

And to your first part... I never said it wasn't a problem. I'm saying that it is not an integral part of American culture. I don't know why you are bringing black on black crime as a strawman in this when it has absolutely nothing to do with what i'm saying. I never said more women get raped abroad, i was talking about how rape is perceived abroad

I painted a picture where rape is fully acceptable in the culture. That is not America at large. What is so difficult to understand?

 

[Verbal Kint]

No, rape culture is about rape culture, which is includes but is not limited to sustained efforts to avoid confronting the realities of rape in a given society, as you have been doing awwwwwwllll throughout this thread. Rape is bad blah blah but what about them damn feminists?

nikka I made 2 posts. Whatchumean 'awlll throughout'.
And no, rape culture ain't about rape. If it was we wouldn't have created some new buzz word. Rape culture supposedly points out all the little things that somehow lead to rape or the acceptance of it and 95% of the stuff I see people talking about are things they view as misogynistic. I've had a female try to convince me that men 'sexualizing' breasts is part of 'rape culture'

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

In all cases you state they have been debated, laughed, and pointed to as ludicrous points of view in a 2015 society. The culture at large isn't buying this shyt.

You only think this because of the part of society you are exposed to. Like I said there are elected officials touting these views and in particular using abortion as a cover for perpetuating rape culture, with the blessings of their millions of constituents. Similarly there is the whole college campus thing. I know writing this all off as fringe or ridiculous is easy, but it's not reflective of reality. There is a sizeable swath of the American population that supports the ideologies of rape culture.

 

[Gold]

You only think this because of the part of society you are exposed to. Like I said there are elected officials touting these views and in particular using abortion as a cover for perpetuating rape culture, with the blessings of their millions of constituents. Similarly there is the whole college campus thing. I know writing this all off as fringe or ridiculous is easy, but it's not reflective of reality. There is a sizeable swath of the American population that supports the ideologies of rape culture.

I'll concede that there are pockets of this mindset that exist in America. I even said that in my first post. I just do not believe that this is majority of the American culture mindset.

If someone got on CNN/MSNBC/FoxNews and said something like "Married woman cant be raped, its their duty to give it up everytime their man wants it and exactly how he wants it!!"


Of course there would be those who say shyt like "right on brother!"

But I'm fairly certain that the majority of the country would be like



But I don't claim to have lived in every American community, so i'm just assuming based-on-and-compared-to the experiences I have had when I lived in Nigeria and England.

 

[Gaara]

No! Well Not In Western Society.

 

[Black Magisterialness]

I'm convinced majority of you have no idea what rape culture actually means...or what many things mean. I'm convinced that the majority of the people posting in TLR in particular are quite ignorant on issues that don't involve PAWGs, Certs and self-hate.

 

[King Kreole]

In all cases you state they have been debated, laughed, and pointed to as ludicrous points of view in a 2015 society. The culture at large isn't buying this shyt. Even the links you provided are of articles chastising these views. As far as religion goes, there are many denominations and congregations in Christianity that would completely disavow any relationship with any church/pastor who claimed these views. Further proving my point that America as a whole isn't a-ok with rape like other countries largely are.

And to your first part... I never said it wasn't a problem. I'm saying that it is not an integral part of American culture. I don't know why you are bringing black on black crime as a strawman in this when it has absolutely nothing to do with what i'm saying. I never said more women get raped abroad, i was talking about how rape is perceived abroad

I painted a picture where rape is fully acceptable in the culture. That is not America at large. What is so difficult to understand?

Breh, just because other places have a more active rape culture doesn't mean America doesn't. No one, feminist or otherwise, would claim that Saudi Arabia doesn't have a more toxic environment and culture for women w/r/t rape and sexual autonomy. It's not like there can be only one rape culture. People are just pointing out the ways in which this society fosters tacit beliefs in the lack female equality on this issue. Pointing to other places where it's worse doesn't negate our own issues. I can acknowledge that the Holocaust was a more virulent form of racism than the Jim Crow era while still acknowledging that the Jim Crow era was very racist.

I do agree that it's crucial to have perspective, and I'll say that to anyone who runs around acting like we have the worst society for women in history, but we definitely have some ugly underlying beliefs about women that promote an inequality when it comes to sexual behaviours and our responses to them. There are still a hell of a lot of people who believe in things like "she was asking for it", "you can't rape a whore", and "she didn't say no". These types of views form the basis of our rape culture. They directly create an environment where those who are the victims of rape don't want to come forward, and those who perpetrate rapes don't think they've done anything wrong.

 

[Gold]

Breh, just because other places have a more active rape culture doesn't mean America doesn't. No one, feminist or otherwise, would claim that Saudi Arabia doesn't have a more toxic environment and culture for women w/r/t rape and sexual autonomy. It's not like there can be only one rape culture. People are just pointing out the ways in which this society fosters tacit beliefs in the lack female equality on this issue. Pointing to other places where it's worse doesn't negate our own issues. I can acknowledge that the Holocaust was a more virulent form of racism than the Jim Crow era while still acknowledging that the Jim Crow era was very racist.

I do agree that it's crucial to have perspective, and I'll say that to anyone who runs around acting like we have the worst society for women in history, but we definitely have some ugly underlying beliefs about women that promote an inequality when it comes to sexual behaviours and our responses to them. There are still a hell of a lot of people who believe in things like "she was asking for it", "you can't rape a whore", and "she didn't say no". These types of views form the basis of our rape culture. They directly create an environment where those who are the victims of rape don't want to come forward, and those who perpetrate rapes don't think they've done anything wrong.

Which is why I stated that there are clearly pockets of this mentality in America, but I don't believe it is not the underlying culture of the nation.
If someone got on a large platform (cable news or whatever), and spouted that nonsense, they would be largely outwardly ridiculed and chastised, and only praised in the shadows.

Once again, I wasn't comparing the actual number of rapes, I was talking more about how in other countries there is no level of solace from rape for the victim.

-Family
-Community
-Religion
-Law Enforcement
-Governing Bodies
-The Media
-High Ranking officials

In other countries a woman could get raped and each and every level I listed would turn a blind eye to it. I hope this never becomes the norm in America.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Just because other places have it worse doesn't mean much of anything with regards to the problems we have here. Let's stop with these cheap diversions and stick to the matter at hand.

 

[Verbal Kint]

Ah the old distract and divert trick. More women get raped abroad so it's not a problem here. Everyone here isn't OK with rape so it's not a problem here. Etc. etc. These "talking points" are the "what about black on black crime" of rape.

And regarding rape and religion in the US....



^^^ An elected official at a pro life rally.



^^^Another elected official on how women's bodies "shut down" pregnancies from rape.... a Jedi mind trick level spin on the "she wanted it" reprise of rape culture.

And of course there is this:

Christian website: Don’t look at your wife’s face during sex to enjoy it even when she resists

‘There is no such thing as marital rape’: Christian website says wives must yield for sex ‘no questions asked’

This is all in the US breh. And your quick reflex to point overseas is just another facet of this culture of denial of our issues here. Part of rape culture is a large swath of the community's inability or outright REFUSAL to even ACKNOWLEDGE it.

lol. You're using articles written on a website with anonymous writers/publisher as an example. That's like me pulling some random feminist blog and claiming that its a consensus

 

[King Kreole]

Which is why I stated that there are clearly pockets of this mentality in America, but I don't believe it is not the underlying culture of the nation.
If someone got on a large platform (cable news or whatever), and spouted that nonsense, they would be largely outwardly ridiculed and chastised, and only praised in the shadows.

Once again, I wasn't comparing the actual number of rapes, I was talking more about how in other countries there is no level of solace from rape for the victim.

-Family
-Community
-Religion
-Law Enforcement
-Governing Bodies
-The Media
-High Ranking officials

In other countries a woman could get raped and each and every level I listed would turn a blind eye to it. I hope this never becomes the norm in America.

I agree that our society has been trending in the right direction, but I think you're underestimating the general public's current level of tolerance for those types of statements. California just became the first state to require teaching affirmative consent to high school students, so we're definitely not there yet. Extreme statements like "She was asking for it" are only just now starting to be considered wrongheaded because of the work that was done to counteract prevailing notions.

And yeah, again, I completely agree there are worse places to be a women w/r/t this issue, and there is a ton of great work being done by NGOs to check this issue globally. But we're discussing the issue as it pertains to our society, and the presence of more extreme cases elsewhere doesn't negate our own situation.