Does sovereignty mean anything anymore?

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

US telling Iran whether it can or can't make nuclear weapons..... Germany using EU as a proxy to invalidate the Greek gov't.... what are the implications of a world in which some outside entity has more say of certain matters than a country's own govt?

Does anyone else think these kinds of arrangements will help foster resentment that will bubble over later? That is pretty much what we have seen with the ME after the formation of Israel.........................................

 

[88m3]

US telling Iran whether it can or can't make nuclear weapons..... Germany using EU as a proxy to invalidate the Greek gov't.... what are the implications of a world in which some outside entity has more say of certain matters than a country's own govt?

Does anyone else think these kinds of arrangements will help foster resentment that will bubble over later? That is pretty much what we have seen with the ME after the formation of Israel.........................................

Wow you're so right. It's almost like there is a new world order! Kind of curious, right?

 

[Mr Rager]

Did it ever mean anything? Russia proved how easy it was to take Crimea.

 

[toomanydoses]

We buckled Iran didn't, you think china would limit their trade with Iran forever? We don't trade much with Iran but it doesn't mean other countries don't.
Sanctions only work if the target can't get around them.

 

[CHL]

I wish the UN had a lot more sovereignty honestly

 

[CHL]

And that the UNSC and power within the UN was much more proportionate, but that's OT

 

[toomanydoses]

How would that work?

I wish the UN had a lot more sovereignty honestly

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

IDK about the UN gaining power. Who gets to choose who is in the UN?

 

[CHL]

How would that work?

As of right now I'm just referring to vastly increased funding (The UN budget is currently incredibly low) to pursue operations and projects (the World Food Program, UNEP, WHO, UNICEF, UNHCR etc), binding resolutions, significantly more power to decide disputes between States and the ability to prosecute war criminals and human rights violaters through the ICJ, where they have had very limited success so far.

Spoiler

Centuries (I wish it was sooner) down the line it would be ideal IMO if we had a worldwide political and economic union via the UN. States (countries) could perhaps act as states/provinces within States do now.


@GinaThatAintNoDamnPuppy! in an ideal version of the UN there would be some fair, democratic process worked out and instituted. No states with veto power on the UNSC. Africa and South America represented properly. No early 21st century situation where the security council represents only 29% of the worlds population. The U.S not having exaggerated voting power and power in general within the UN relative to their size and economy. And yes eventually an army in some capacity.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

US telling Iran whether it can or can't make nuclear weapons..... Germany using EU as a proxy to invalidate the Greek gov't.... what are the implications of a world in which some outside entity has more say of certain matters than a country's own govt?

Does anyone else think these kinds of arrangements will help foster resentment that will bubble over later? That is pretty much what we have seen with the ME after the formation of Israel.........................................

nikka sit your silly ass down.

1. Hegemony determines who gets and who keeps nukes. Period. I have no problem supporting efforts to push Iran back to the stone age if they dare make a nuke.

2. Germany shytted on Greece because after years...YEARS of mismanagement, they were forced to come hat in hand and take a shytty deal by the most powerful member of the E.U. fukk the whining. Suck it up.

3. Whats the implications? Nothing. The world is simply more peaceful due to globalization but the same rules still apply. You either have money, power, both, or you're at the mercy of anyone with the first two.

4. You know what fosters resentment? Doing nothing and sitting on your ass.

I have no problem with making the world into a place which serves OUR interests, that uses OUR money, and values OUR values as we see fit.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

As of right now I'm just referring to vastly increased funding (The UN budget is currently incredibly low) to pursue operations and projects (the World Food Program, UNEP, WHO, UNICEF, UNHCR etc), binding resolutions, significantly more power to decide disputes between States and the ability to prosecute war criminals and human rights violaters through the ICJ, where they have had very limited success so far.

Spoiler

Centuries (I wish it was sooner) down the line it would be ideal IMO if we had a worldwide political and economic union via the UN. States (countries) could perhaps act as states/provinces within States do now.


@GinaThatAintNoDamnPuppy! in an ideal version of the UN there would be some fair, democratic process worked out and instituted. No states with veto power on the UNSC. Africa and South America represented properly. No early 21st century situation where the security council represents only 29% of the worlds population. The U.S not having exaggerated voting power and power in general within the UN relative to their size and economy. And yes eventually an army in some capacity.

the UNSC is merely a facade of "fairness" when in all reality its simply "might makes right" entombed in legislature.

Whats the problem here? you mean to tell me that less powerful countries should have more of a say in the GLOBE? Its not like we've colonized other planets outside of earth yet.

 

[toomanydoses]

Sovereignty implies the military might to enforce it. Putting that aside would Austria have the same say as the USA? If they did why would we enter in that agreement? If it didn't why would they?

It's a very unrealistic proposition that I've heard before.

 

[Madvillain]

Capital in this globalist stage has been beginning to wane the nation-state's importance.

I have no problem with making the world into a place which serves OUR interests, that uses OUR money, and values OUR values as we see fit.

Ayo, you ever recognize how this aggressive American hegemony you support will always end up meaning White supremacy and subjugation of Black/Brown people worldwide?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Capital in this globalist stage has been beginning to wane the nation-state's importance.

Not really...its merely brought more people to the table

Ayo, you ever recognize how this aggressive American hegemony you support will always end up meaning White supremacy and subjugation of Black/Brown people worldwide?

Currently? By the USA? Who?

I acknowledge the wrongs in the past, but right now?

I disagree.

 

[CHL]

the UNSC is merely a facade of "fairness" when in all reality its simply "might makes right" entombed in legislature.

Whats the problem here? you mean to tell me that less powerful countries should have more of a say in the GLOBE? Its not like we've colonized other planets outside of earth yet.

I don't disagree at all that that is the current situation with the UNSC. The permanent members are based on the fukking post world war 2 geopolitical landscape and not the world of today. Otherwise the UK for one would be nowhere near it.

Your second paragraph entirely nonsensical and irrelevant.