Does sovereignty mean anything anymore?

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Sovereignty implies the military might to enforce it. Putting that aside would Austria have the same say as the USA? If they did why would we enter in that agreement? If it didn't why would they?

It's a very unrealistic proposition that I've heard before.
Well clearly a standing army isn't happening anytime soon. And of course they wouldn't. It would be more proportionate and fair, not equal in voting power and say.

It depends who is in power in the US. Right now they wouldn't. Austria would. The developing world would definitely.
 

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I don't disagree at all that that is the current situation with the UNSC. The permanent members are based on the fukking post world war 2 geopolitical landscape and not the world of today. Otherwise the UK for one would be nowhere near it.

Your second paragraph :mjlol: entirely nonsensical and irrelevant.
We live in a post WWII landscape BECAUSE of nuclear proliferation.

Go check the stats. Still the most peaceful time in world history and nukes have a lot to do with that.

100 years ago the europeans all hated each other and south asia was a clusterfukk of shifting boundaries.
 

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100 years ago the europeans all hated each other and south asia was a clusterfukk of shifting boundaries.
100 years later all Europeans still hate each other and SEA is a clusterfukk with Western implemented borders :francis:

nikka sit your silly ass down.

1. Hegemony determines who gets and who keeps nukes. Period. I have no problem supporting efforts to push Iran back to the stone age if they dare make a nuke.

:heh: Support nuking innocent people to prevent a country from having nukes brehs

2. Germany shytted on Greece because after years...YEARS of mismanagement, they were forced to come hat in hand and take a shytty deal by the most powerful member of the E.U. fukk the whining. Suck it up.
Germany didn't have to join the EU. Greece' fiscal fukkery is hardly new. What did they expect? And what exactly is the rationale in imposing more austerity after 6 years of it has destroyed the Greek economy? Almost seems like Germany WANTS Greece to fail :mido:

3. Whats the implications? Nothing. The world is simply more peaceful due to globalization but the same rules still apply. You either have money, power, both, or you're at the mercy of anyone with the first two.

4. You know what fosters resentment? Doing nothing and sitting on your ass.

I have no problem with making the world into a place which serves OUR interests, that uses OUR money, and values OUR values as we see fit.
If u go into someone's house and bark orders, dont be angry or surprised when they snap back (as u always do) :sas2:

I agree that we have to protect our interests.... I think diplomatic brokering is way more effective than brute force. A lost war in every other decade since WWII and cascading blowback speaks to that :mido:

But KEEP GETTING ANGRY.... YOUR :damn: IS FOOD TO ME :blessed:

NO I WONT GO BACK AND FORTH WITH YOU
 

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100 years later all Europeans still hate each other and SEA is a clusterfukk with Western implemented borders :francis:
but they don't though. theres a reason the EU won a nobel prize
:heh: Support nuking innocent people to prevent a country from having nukes brehs
:manny:

Extreme situations call for extreme measures.

No one said we'd NUKE them either...there are less lethal means :mjpls:

Germany didn't have to join the EU. Greece' fiscal fukkery is hardly new. What did they expect? And what exactly is the rationale in imposing more austerity after 6 years of it has destroyed the Greek economy? Almost seems like Germany WANTS Greece to fail :mido:
Greece has internal problems that have yet to be addressed. This is hardly as much fault of the external actors.

They can't even collect taxes in greece or address corruption.


If u go into someone's house and bark orders, dont be angry or surprised when they snap back (as u always do) :sas2:
Then don't ask for help

I agree that we have to protect our interests.... I think diplomatic brokering is way more effective than brute force. A lost war in every other decade since WWII and cascading blowback speaks to that :mido:

But KEEP GETTING ANGRY.... YOUR :damn: IS FOOD TO ME :blessed:

NO I WONT GO BACK AND FORTH WITH YOU

Diplomacy only works when you have the force to back it up with.
 

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Wow you're so right. It's almost like there is a new world order! Kind of curious, right?
wait till we realize how much of this country's real estate is owned by foreign interests:gladbron:
 

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wait till we realize how much of this country's real estate is owned by foreign interests:gladbron:

I'm far from a protectionist but something needs to seriously be done about it. I also shouldn't be competing with hedge funds and multinationals for residential real estate.
 
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nikkas LOVE caping for other nations :mjlol:

c00ns LOVE caping for a settler state founded on genocide and slavery, which overthrows governments around the world and occupies other countries.

c00ns LOVE caping for the vicious ruling class instead of working people around the world
 

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c00ns LOVE caping for a settler state founded on genocide and slavery, which overthrows governments around the world and occupies other countries.

c00ns LOVE caping for the vicious ruling class instead of working people around the world

nikka, if you have a job in the USA you represent the global 1% get the fukk outta here with this dumb shyt :mjlol:

You still wanna act like its 1780 :dead:

Bum ass fukkboys can't discuss current issues without going back 300 years to reach at straws :heh:
 

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c00ns LOVE caping for a settler state founded on genocide and slavery, which overthrows governments around the world and occupies other countries.

c00ns LOVE caping for the vicious ruling class instead of working people around the world

You're a pretty vocal proponent on Venezuela, Russia, and a few other shyt holes last I checked unless I'm getting you confused with someone else.

:lolbron:
 

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The U.N has never had power, its just a tool of the U.S. Look at how the U.N peacekeepers where used in the Congo during the 60's and how they enabled the U.S to destabilize the country and kill Lamumba. The U.N ain't shyt.

Considering Russia and China veto whatever they feel like I'd say that's not accurate in current times.
 

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The U.N has never had power, its just a tool of the U.S. Look at how the U.N peacekeepers where used in the Congo during the 60's and how they enabled the U.S to destabilize the country and kill Lamumba. The U.N ain't shyt.
Actions of UN peacekeepers in the 60's in Congo can't really be used to represent the whole UN organisation and it's many seperate offshoots and agencies in 2015 at all :why:
 

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You're a pretty vocal proponent on Venezuela, Russia, and a few other shyt holes last I checked unless I'm getting you confused with someone else.

:lolbron:
Nah I think you have him confused for others breh
 
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