Does supporting american imperalism make you a sellout?

[theworldismine13]

Why wouldn't they given the various governmental abuses that happen to citizens on a daily basis. Black people, other poc even whites at times.

like i said, the reason is pragmatism, you also have to take into account the good, and also you have to take into account the possibilities

im optimistic about the future, i think black people will continue to increase their economic and political power and i think the us is a stepping stone to increasing our power

and to be perfectly blunt there is no real alternative to america

Honestly, yes. No reason at all to make yourself be beholden to books of fairy tales.

yeah so in other words, all black people that support america, support Christianity and islam are sellouts, so thats like 90 percent of black people

so you basically think all black people are sellouts?

 

[Poitier]

Yes.

 

[the next guy]

like i said, the reason is pragmatism, you also have to take into account the good, and also you have to take into account the possibilities

im optimistic about the future, i think black people will continue to increase their economic and political power and i think the us is a stepping stone to increasing our power

and to be perfectly blunt there is no real alternative to america

Can blacks rise up the ladder faster in america? Yes. But how many actually do? You're talking potential.

yeah so in other words, all black people that support america, support Christianity and islam are sellouts, so thats like 90 percent of black people

so you basically think all black people are sellouts?

I don't think its 90 percent. But how can you actually support islam (look at today) christianity (what did that do for us again). These religions do nothing for us and for the most part neither has America.

Yes.

you see it.

 

[theworldismine13]

Can blacks rise up the ladder faster in america? Yes. But how many actually do? You're talking potential.

yes i am talking potential, i just said that, and there isnt any alternative to america

I don't think its 90 percent. But how can you actually support islam (look at today) christianity (what did that do for us again). These religions do nothing for us and for the most part neither has America.

actually it is around 90 percent, just about all black americans are christian and some are muslim, do you live under a rock?

im not defending either religion, i think both religions are garbage, but i wouldnt call people sellouts because we disagree about religion or politics

i think intellectual freedom is very important, ive seen how ive been attacked for saying perfectly sensible and logical things and how people try to cut discussions off by calling people sellouts, that is why i dont agree with the word sellout

 

[the next guy]

yes i am talking potential, i just said that, and there isnt any alternative to america

There are many countries where blacks and minorites don't face the same same level of racism. Things here would not be tolerated in places like Sweden or Canada

actually it is around 90 percent, just about all black americans are christian and some are muslim, do you live under a rock?

im not defending either religion, i think both religions are garbage, but i wouldnt call people sellouts because we disagree about religion or politics

i think intellectual freedom is very important, ive seen how ive been attacked for saying perfectly sensible and logical things and how people try to cut discussions off by calling people sellouts, that is why i dont agree with the word sellout

I feel you have to call a spade a spade at time, dancing around the point does nothing to help imo

 

[theworldismine13]

There are many countries where blacks and minorites don't face the same same level of racism. Things here would not be tolerated in places like Sweden or Canada

sweden and canada are just extensions of the american/european empire, if you support canada and sweden you are supporting the american empire

and black people face racism all over the world, its not that sweden and canada are less racist, its that there are few black people in those countries

I feel you have to call a spade a spade at time, dancing around the point does nothing to help imo

but you arent really saying anything except calling people names

 

[Blackking]

nikkas asking

is supporting your specific peoples direct oppressors...... a bad thing.

 

[Brown_Pride]

You can support american and also want to change it. We're talking about an multi-ethnic culture with a colorful history, you should try approaching the issue with both a wider lens and a deeper understanding of both world and national history before you attempt to answer a complex question with a simple "yes or no".

If your answer is "no" then what is the alternative for a black person living in the united states?

 

[Poitier]

You can support american and also want to change it.

 

[Brown_Pride]

excellent point and very articulately stated.

 

[JahFocus CS]

A thread that reveals the c00ns

 

[Oville]

I think this question is framed in an incomplete way. I think being a pro-black about your rights in America and yet supporting imperialist which comes from the same lineage as racism is extremely hypocritical and it boggles my mind how some people can't see the correlation and lack empathy for giving one country with its own self interests absolute autonomy over all world affairs. You can hope for American prosperity without it coming from the exploitation of other other nations.

 

[unit321]

Napoleon made this statement last week. He feels that we shouldn't go against america when it comes to Islam, Russia, etc. That's fine. But why should black citizens have any loyalty to a country that has oppressed and destroyed them for 400 plus years? Should black americans be able to criticize and not support America without being called pro islamic extremism? What loyalty should blacks have to America? Does supporting American foreign policy make you a sellout if you are black or another POC?

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[theworldismine13]

I think this question is framed in an incomplete way. I think being a pro-black about your rights in America and yet supporting imperialist which comes from the same lineage as racism is extremely hypocritical and it boggles my mind how some people can't see the correlation and lack empathy for giving one country with its own self interests absolute autonomy over all world affairs. You can hope for American prosperity without it coming from the exploitation of other other nations.

i would disagree with that, black people do not owe one ounce of sympathy for anybody that has been oppressed by european/america imperialism or other imperialism

black people have to look out for our own interests, period, i dont agree that black people are the moral saviors or moral conscious of the world, and we dont have any specific responsibility to stop european/american imperialism, thats dumb and corny and it leads to absurd positions where black people are giving a fuk about people that dont give a fuk about black people or are racist themselves

i do believe in human rights, democracy, liberty etc etc for everybody in the world, but its not because im black, its because i think those things are of mutual interest, and if we find areas of mutual interest on specific topics with other people than we can join around that specific topic

but black people are not the of the world

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Napoleon made this statement last week. He feels that we shouldn't go against america when it comes to Islam, Russia, etc. That's fine. But why should black citizens have any loyalty to a country that has oppressed and destroyed them for 400 plus years? Should black americans be able to criticize and not support America without being called pro islamic extremism? What loyalty should blacks have to America? Does supporting American foreign policy make you a sellout if you are black or another POC?

Criticize ALL OF THEM. They all hand a hand in our downfall as a whole. Islamic states enslaved us before the middle passage, and we all know about US slavery. So give them all the business and their is still black folks in those Islamic states being treated like shyt, but they aren't televised. And fukk being Patriotic.