Does supporting american imperalism make you a sellout?

[Oville]

i would disagree with that, black people do not owe one ounce of sympathy for anybody that has been oppressed by european/america imperialism or other imperialism

black people have to look out for our own interests, period, i dont agree that black people are the moral saviors or moral conscious of the world, and we dont have any specific responsibility to stop european/american imperialism, thats dumb and corny and it leads to absurd positions where black people are giving a fuk about people that dont give a fuk about black people or are racist themselves

i do believe in human rights, democracy, liberty etc etc for everybody in the world, but its not because im black, its because i think those things are of mutual interest, and if we find areas of mutual interest on specific topics with other people than we can join around that specific topic

but black people are not the of the world

When did I say it was the responsibility of black people to stand up for whats going on around the globe. What I'm saying is that if your a black person who decries about all of the injustices placed on you throughout history, you should be able to relate and empathize with people whose lives and economies have been negatively affected by American imperialist policies. Its one thing to be indifferent, or negligent about whats going on overseas. Its quite another when your caping and pushing for imperialistic aggressive policies.

 

[theworldismine13]

When did I say it was the responsibility of black people to stand up for whats going on around the globe. What I'm saying is that if your a black person who decries about all of the injustices placed on you throughout history, you should be able to relate and empathize with people whose lives and economies have been negatively affected by American imperialist policies. Its one thing to be indifferent, or negligent about whats going on overseas. Its quite another when your caping and pushing for imperialistic aggressive policies.

and im disagreeing, i do think its ok to push for "imperialistic aggressive policies"

the standard for what policies black people push for should be based on self interest, period

 

[Oville]

and im disagreeing, i do think its ok to push for "imperialistic aggressive policies"

the standard for what policies black people push for should be based on self interest, period

First of all you can argue that its not in the self interest of black Americans to push for imperialistic policies cuz its diverts resources overseas rather than in their own communities. Second, if your a black American who believes in these kinds of hawkish imperialistic foreign policies fine, but if your doing so while decrying about the repressive policies put forth on black people in this country,your a hypocrite plain and simple

 

[JahFocus CS]

First of all you can argue that its not in the self interest of black Americans to push for imperialistic policies cuz its diverts resources overseas rather than in their own communities. Second, if your a black American who believes in these kinds of hawkish imperialistic foreign policies fine, but if your doing so while decrying about the repressive policies put forth on black people in this country,your a hypocrite plain and simple

Some people don't have values, principles, or a real vision and path for liberation

 

[theworldismine13]

First of all you can argue that its not in the self interest of black Americans to push for imperialistic policies cuz its diverts resources overseas rather than in their own communities.

Sure you can make the argument that imperialist policies take away resources from domestic issues and I would totally agree, America can't just continually expand and continually be at war but America can't retreat either, America retreating from the world can cause more war, and more instability, and cause the rise of powers and forces that represent so ethnic worse than amerca, so it's a complicated situation

Second, if your a black American who believes in these kinds of hawkish imperialistic foreign policies fine, but if your doing so while decrying about the repressive policies put forth on black people in this country,your a hypocrite plain and simple

Well that assumes that all "hawkish imperialistic policies" are bad, and that the us is oppressing people all over the world, I don't agree with that premise so I don't agree with your conclusion

 

[the next guy]

sweden and canada are just extensions of the american/european empire, if you support canada and sweden you are supporting the american empire

Nope. These people are in separate countries with their own political system. Not fair to say that.

and black people face racism all over the world, its not that sweden and canada are less racist, its that there are few black people in those countries

Then the UK should be one of the most racist countries against non muslim blacks....but they aren't. There is no excuse for america's behavior at all. Human rights are exactly that, human rights.

but you arent really saying anything except calling people names

Because the truth hurts. People who do support imperialism are out of the mainstream

I think this question is framed in an incomplete way. I think being a pro-black about your rights in America and yet supporting imperialist which comes from the same lineage as racism is extremely hypocritical and it boggles my mind how some people can't see the correlation and lack empathy for giving one country with its own self interests absolute autonomy over all world affairs. You can hope for American prosperity without it coming from the exploitation of other other nations.

Exactly.

Criticize ALL OF THEM. They all hand a hand in our downfall as a whole. Islamic states enslaved us before the middle passage, and we all know about US slavery. So give them all the business and their is still black folks in those Islamic states being treated like shyt, but they aren't televised. And fukk being Patriotic.

I did in the op

 

[the next guy]

Some people don't have values, principles, or a real vision and path for liberation

When you worship money, you give up your soul.

 

[theworldismine13]

Nope. These people are in separate countries with their own political system. Not fair to say that.

nope, both those countries are dependent on the american economy and america military power, and they all have the same basic political system the us has

Then the UK should be one of the most racist countries against non muslim blacks....but they aren't. There is no excuse for america's behavior at all. Human rights are exactly that, human rights.

im not even sure what you are trying to say, are you trying to say england isnt racist?

Because the truth hurts.

not sure what that means, so you think its ok to call people names because the truth hurts? what?

People who do support imperialism are out of the mainstream

what?

 

[the next guy]

nope, both those countries are dependent on the american economy and america military power, and they all have the same basic political system the us has

Only military power. And Canada is a part of NATO, it's not like they have nothing.

im not even sure what you are trying to say, are you trying to say england isnt racist?

the point is there is no rationalization for the US being more racist then other western countries.

not sure what that means, so you think its ok to call people names because the truth hurts? what?



what?

Why shouldn't black people who support imperialism be called sellouts? Because they are.

 

[theworldismine13]

Only military power. And Canada is a part of NATO, it's not like they have nothing.

sweden and canada are dependent on american military and economic power in every way, nato is controlled by the us, any nation that is part of nato is part of the american empire, technically sweden isnt in nato but for all intents and purposes it is

the point is there is no rationalization for the US being more racist then other western countries.

there is zero evidence that the us is more racist than other western countries, where did you get that from?

Why shouldn't black people who support imperialism be called sellouts? Because they are

you can call people whatever you want but if you dont have any substance to it, its just an emotional cry for help

 

[the next guy]

you can call people whatever you want but if you dont have any substance to it, its just an emotional cry for help

There's nothing emotional about that statement. I can easily call you emotional about catching feelings for supporting imperialism. You squirmed when asked are you a sellout? People who aren't don't squirm and rationalize these things

 

[theworldismine13]

There's nothing emotional about that statement. I can easily call you emotional about catching feelings for supporting imperialism. You squirmed when asked are you a sellout? People who aren't don't squirm and rationalize these things

but i already admitted that i catch feelings over the world sellout, i didint squirm, i just broke down my position using facts

you on the other hand are so ignorant about geopolitics that you think europeans are less racist than americans and you didnt know NATO, canada and sweden are part of the american empire

 

[the next guy]

but i already admitted that i catch feelings over the world sellout, i didint squirm, i just broke down my position using facts

you on the other hand are so ignorant about geopolitics that you think europeans are less racist than americans and you didnt know NATO, canada and sweden are part of the american empire

Your position is nonsense. You basically telling all minorities to suck it because you're American. I don't know why you're proud of American global dominance, maybe they haven't been the worst, but it the current country in power. Everyone is within their right to say so. You position has no facts other then "America is big." Well it won't be forever, will you align with the next empire too?
It's like saying I date white women because they are here. So if you admit you're a sellout, what's the problem?

It's like @JahFocus CS said, no values whatsoever.

 

[Quarterback]

Napoleon made this statement last week. He feels that we shouldn't go against america when it comes to Islam, Russia, etc. That's fine. But why should black citizens have any loyalty to a country that has oppressed and destroyed them for 400 plus years? Should black americans be able to criticize and not support America without being called pro islamic extremism? What loyalty should blacks have to America? Does supporting American foreign policy make you a sellout if you are black or another POC?

YES, 100% yes. The usa is a white man's entity that has fukked us over for years. Imperialism oppresses others, and benefits CACs, NOT us.

Nippleon is a c00n, and it looks like brown pride is a c00n too. fukk them both, they are uncle toms who suck whitie's dikk. We should not. fukk the usa, burn their flag. We are our own nation, unfortunately surrounded by the usa. theworldismine is a fakkit c00n too. The usa doesn't give a fukk about them, they would call nap and twim ******s, and brown pride a spic. And that's who they cape 4 Pathetic

 

[88m3]

When you worship money, you give up your soul.

that's why I worship Allah


what a childish thread