Doesn't the currently military infrastructure make the 2nd amendment obsolete?

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Y'all haven't heard of the Bundy Ranch Standoff? 2nd Amendment worked there.

Charges Against Bundys in Ranch Standoff Case Are Dismissed

Bundy got off because he was white.

And that's an isolated incident.

 

[DPresidential]

@Obreh Winfrey

Respect.

But, you're incorrect.

Personal self-defense was a significant part of the DNA of the second amendment.

The Second Amendment being inspired and partially based on the right to bear arms as meant in English common law is a non-debatable issue.

It's just not talked about as much because that's clear cut. The "militia" element is what has this debate constantly enflamed.

 

[Scholar]

At this point just think about if the gov was to hypothetically take the most extreme gun control measure and ban owning a gun. Would be sheer chaos because clowns are obsessed with guns and the idea of fighting a tyrannical gov despite having no chance of victory

 

[sfgiants]

Of course.

The point isn't that they'd have a chance at success...it's that it would be that much more of an annoyance.

With the second amendment, a truly disruptive and revolutionary military force that is hell-bent on a coup will do what the fukk they want.

But a less organized and less motivated benevolent military? One that would act only if the opportunity presented itself?

They would probably hesitate.

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Think about the second amendment as pepper spray.

The citizen is the 18 year old girl.

A sadistic sex-crazed rapist is going to attack in her on the dark street regardless.

But a horny & dangerous creep looking to fall into vulnerable p*ssy? He may see that pepperspray keychain attachment on the purse and do risk/reward like, "is it worth getting pepper sprayed and scratched up? Nah, fukk it."

Terrible analogy

A better analogy would be
US citizens = 18 year old girl
2nd amendment = pepper spray
US military = Thanos with all 5 infinity stones. Mixed with Darkseid.

 

[smokeurobinson]

Also, under tyranny at this point

Tyranny? seriously?

You must be working at a 9-5 job you dont like with sucky pay if u talking like this.

Tyranny?

Put em overseas they be begging to come back - Ice Cube

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

Tyranny? seriously?

You must be working at a 9-5 job you dont like with sucky pay if u talking like this.

Tyranny?

Put em overseas they be begging to come back - Ice Cube

I didn’t say that clearly

At this point, if we were to go under tyranny

 

[DPresidential]

Terrible analogy

A better analogy would be
US citizens = 18 year old girl
2nd amendment = pepper spray
US military = Thanos with all 5 infinity stones. Mixed with Darkseid.

How is the disjointed US military Thanos?


You believe that a military head has the ability to galvanize the pool of current US soldiers who tend to come from so many backgrounds and Don't all join because of nationalism?

If the second amendment was banned tomorrow... and all of the gun owning US citizens resisted giving up their guns...

You truly believe a federal order that threatened to send the military into homes to confiscate guns would be followed by soldiers?

Like US soldiers would, without hesitation, follow orders and engage US citizens to confiscate their guns?



Most of the most gungho and nationalistic members of the armed forces are the ones who would die to PROTECT the second amendment rights of their families.

We would see something equally as disturbing... Just how uninfluential our government really is.

 

[Lweezy]

Lots of assumptions being made. You dont know where one particular soldier's sympathies lie. Also, some of us vets have taken away many lessons from places like Fallujah in 04, Mosul a few years later, Afghanistan, etc.

This is a piss poor excuse to try to remove my right to bear arms. Those hicks and hilljacks camped in trees can wreak havoc. Too many Tim Mcveighs or DC shooters to think that this would be some sort of cake walk. Then there is the issue of proximity.

Also, in my mind the threat would not come from a military coup. The threat would come from radical left wing ideologues who somehow found their way into a supermajority in government.

 

[Obreh Winfrey]

@Obreh Winfrey

Respect.

But, you're incorrect.

Personal self-defense was a significant part of the DNA of the second amendment.

The Second Amendment being inspired and partially based on the right to bear arms as meant in English common law is a non-debatable issue.

It's just not talked about as much because that's clear cut. The "militia" element is what has this debate constantly enflamed.

I'm going from memory and it's been a about 3 years since I've gone over American Political Theory and like 8 or 9 since history so I'm sure I'm missing some key details. I just know that they were really averse to a tyrannical government which is why government is structured the way it is and why certain rights were points of emphasis. I'm not familiar with English common law.

 

[DPresidential]

Lots of assumptions being made. You dont know where one particular soldier's sympathies lie. Also, some of us vets have taken away many lessons from places like Fallujah in 04, Mosul a few years later, Afghanistan, etc.

This is a piss poor excuse to try to remove my right to bear arms. Those hicks and hilljacks camped in trees can wreak havoc. Too many Tim Mcveighs or DC shooters to think that this would be some sort of cake walk. Then there is the issue of proximity.

Also, in my mind the threat would not come from a military coup. The threat would come from radical left wing ideologues who somehow found their way into a supermajority in government.

Exactly.

 

[JahFocus CS]

fail to understand the difference between taking and holding territory, brehs.

think that domestic military actions wouldn't cause divisions within the military itself, brehs.

The 2nd Amendment is one of the few worthwhile things about this country to be frank.

 

[Enzo]

Imagine if the governor of a state called the national guard to come shut a town down.

Really, what you gonna do?


Remember David Koresh who was out there minding his own business in his super compound.

What did they do?

FBI Seige after a 50 day showdown

 

[DPresidential]

fail to understand the difference between taking and holding territory, brehs.

think that domestic military actions wouldn't cause divisions within the military itself, brehs.

Cosign.

You'd have most of those "Marines or die!!!!" Jarhead Texas nikkas ready to disobey an order for domestic military engagement against US citizens.

 

[DPresidential]

Imagine if the governor of a state called the national guard to come shut a town down.

Really, what you gonna do?


Remember David Koresh who was out there minding his own business in his super compound.

What did they do?

FBI Seige after a 50 day showdown

A 50 day showdown for 1 compound.

Imagine every WACO -esque compound on some guerrilla warfare shyt daring the feds to confiscate their guns.

shyt would be more trouble than it's worth.

 

[Lotsford]

Bundy got off because he was white.

And that's an isolated incident.

Fam wouldn't have got off without arms that's all I'm saying. It's possible

 

[DPresidential]

I hope brehs remember that The Black Panthers struck fear into the soul of racist America...

And they openly carried their weapons.

I'm a black man in the US who truly understands how much of a cancer institutional racism is.

And the audacity of anyone to claim I don't need guns and I should rely on corruptible police forces to protect my black body when and if shyt goes down is crazy.

Brehs will tell you all day about why you shouldn't trust the government or the police but in the next breath claim we should all get on board with dismantling the second amendment.

I'm good.