doggystyle is better than illmatic

[MIC Que]

The answer is no. Nas wasn't really saying shyt to IWW came out. Illmatic is Nas predominantly rhyming in circles. I asked you to post some dope verses, clearly you refused, but you telling me to name snoop's hard verses. You seem confused. And yes snoop's vocal performances are light years above Nasir's. Not just the beats.

Man I don’t feel like going to genius and copying + pasting verses. Content has nothing to do with lyrical ability and vice versa but most of the lyrics on Illmatic were either flex rapping about how good he is and reflection of his upbringing and childhood growing up in QB. One Love is him writing his homies locked up. Memory Lane is a reflection track same with Life’s a bytch. Doggystyle don’t have much content still a classic. Lil Wayne post 04-05 was “rapping in circles” most of the time still dropped classics tho. Supreme Clientele top 5 album oat and 2 of the best songs on it is Ghost just saying a bunch of mumbo jumbo that sounds fly.

His verse on Life’s a bytch is fye same wit his verses on One Love and Memory Lane are all fye. Even on songs like The World is Yours he’s flex rapping but also rapping about his day to day lifestyle. Idk what u got against Nas lmao but we not gone act like Illmatic not hard.

 

[MIC Que]

3-2 is the lightskin dude on straight gangsterism, right?

Yes.

 

[MIC Que]

So no story

Story - an account of imaginary or real people and events told for entertainment.

Is Nas not telling accounts and events to his homies throughout the song? How his mans baby moms is a snake hanging wit the opps or how Jerome’s nice got shot in the dome piece? And a bunch of other shyt.

 

[FreshAIG]

I love both. Illmatic is my second favorite album behind Death Certificate. Doggystyle goes anywhere from 3-6 on my list depending on the day.

 

[O.G.B]

The Booth is full of people that have no idea what they're talking about.

Lil Wayne Secure 30 New Platinum Plaques

RIAA took 10-15 years to update 30 Lil Wayne songs and albums. Wayne, who is a much bigger artist than Nas.

Go to RIAA, search Lil Wayne. Check for the date September 25, 2020.
You think all those songs and albums magically went gold/plat the exact same day?

You think it took "The Carter", "Go DJ", etc. 15+ years to go gold/plat?

No. That's when they updated the certifications.

Which is what I said.

You're being disingenuous. The RIAA "updates" are based on a tally of new sales numbers & most of these Lil Wayne singles/albums from the article you posted are additional certifications which were added to other prior RIAA gold/platinum certifications.

Also:

Tha Carter was RIAA certified Gold September 7, 2004, 3 months after it's release (June 29, 2004).

Go DJ was RIAA certified Gold, over a year later after it's release (May 19, 2005).

The Booth is full of people that have no idea what they're talking about.You cats are so wrapped up in Nas when this has nothing to do with him. RIAA does this for literally every artist.

Some certifications happen fast, some take years to update. Because of that, certification dates are notoriously inaccurate.

Fred.

Funny, considering it took the RIAA only 2 months to give Doggystyle it's official Gold/Platinum certifications after Doggystyle was released.


Then 5 months later (after the RIAA Gold/Platinum certifications), the RIAA gave the Doggystyle album a RIAA 4x Multi-Platinum certification.



Release Date: SNOOP DOGG - DOGGYSTYLE/DEATH ROW/INTERSCOPE - NOVEMBER 8, 1993

Previous Certification(s) | Date(s)
4x Multi-Platinum | May 31, 1994
3x Multi-Platinum | January 11, 1994
Platinum | January 11, 1994
Gold | January 11, 1994


Strange that there doesn't seem to be a problem with the RIAA giving Jay Z his gold/platinum certifications in a timely matter.




Gold & Platinum - RIAA

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

The Booth is full of people that have no idea what they're talking about.

Lil Wayne Secure 30 New Platinum Plaques

RIAA took 10-15 years to update 30 Lil Wayne songs and albums. Wayne, who is a much bigger artist than Nas.

Go to RIAA, search Lil Wayne. Check for the date September 25, 2020.
You think all those songs and albums magically went gold/plat the exact same day?

You think it took "The Carter", "Go DJ", etc. 15+ years to go gold/plat?

No. That's when they updated the certifications.

Which is what I said.

You cats are so wrapped up in Nas when this has nothing to do with him. RIAA does this for literally every artist.

Some certifications happen fast, some take years to update. Because of that, certification dates are notoriously inaccurate.

Fred.

Alright so let me get this right,
Nas sold
59k-63k his FIRST WEEK (went a measly gold in 21 months)

Warren G sold 176k (TOTALED 3MIL in 14 months)

Creepin on ah come up 220k (totaled 4 million in 18 months)

Biggie first week sales were around 60k like Nas, (but after dropping his mega hits after the album came out, he totaled out at 2 million in 13 months) (prior to his post death sales)
(all 4, 1994 debuts)



Now in the first certification Nas ever got, we see how he was doing against his top competitors making their 1994 debuts and after 21 months he was only doing 1/4,1/6,1/8 what they were doing.

But we're supposed to overlook THAT and overlook the fact that they've been pumping a bootleg excuse for what they deemed as poor sales, just so we can adopt your intellectually disingenuous insertion that they just forgot, yea sure that's why it took so long

 

[hex]

You're being disingenuous. The RIAA "updates" are based on a tally of new sales numbers & most of these Lil Wayne singles/albums from the article you posted are additional certifications which were added to other prior RIAA gold/platinum certifications.

Also:

Tha Carter was RIAA certified Gold September 7, 2004, 3 months after it's release (June 29, 2004).

Go DJ was RIAA certified Gold, over a year later after it's release (May 19, 2005).



Funny, considering it took the RIAA only 2 months to give Doggystyle it's official Gold/Platinum certifications after Doggystyle was released.


Then 5 months later (after the RIAA Gold/Platinum certifications), the RIAA gave the Doggystyle album a RIAA 4x Multi-Platinum certification.



Release Date: SNOOP DOGG - DOGGYSTYLE/DEATH ROW/INTERSCOPE - NOVEMBER 8, 1993

Previous Certification(s) | Date(s)
4x Multi-Platinum | May 31, 1994
3x Multi-Platinum | January 11, 1994
Platinum | January 11, 1994
Gold | January 11, 1994


Strange that there doesn't seem to be a problem with the RIAA giving Jay Z his gold/platinum certifications in a timely matter.




Gold & Platinum - RIAA

This is one big ass juelz.gif.

And right off the bat you have your facts wrong. RIAA doesn't track sales, only units shipped.

"The Carter" was certified gold in 2004.

It was certified platinum September 25, 2020.

"Go DJ" was certified gold in 2005.

It was certified platinum September 25, 2020.
So it took 15-16 years for Wayne to do an additional 500k, right?

"Illmatic" was certified gold in 1996. It was certified platinum in 2001, and 2x plat in 2019.
Given the inaccuracy of Wayne's numbers....what can we surmise from this?

Damn near the whole 1st page of Wayne's RIAA page is September 25th, 2020. Why? Because that's when they updated the certifications, not when it actually shipped that amount.

You talking about Snoop or Jay-Z or whoever got accurate numbers is irrelevant. I already said sometimes the numbers are right, sometimes they take forever to update. There's no way to argue the Nas numbers are right unless you think it was taking Wayne 15+ years to get a plaque, which is fukking crazy.

Fred.

 

[hex]

Alright so let me get this right,
Nas sold
59k-63k his FIRST WEEK (went a measly gold in 21 months)

Warren G sold 176k (TOTALED 3MIL in 14 months)

Creepin on ah come up 220k (totaled 4 million in 18 months)

Biggie first week sales were around 60k like Nas, (but after dropping his mega hits after the album came out, he totaled out at 2 million in 13 months) (prior to his post death sales)
(all 4, 1994 debuts)



Now in the first certification Nas ever got, we see how he was doing against his top competitors making their 1994 debuts and after 21 months he was only doing 1/4,1/6,1/8 what they were doing.

But we're supposed to overlook THAT and overlook the fact that they've been pumping a bootleg excuse for what they deemed as poor sales, just so we can adopt your intellectually disingenuous insertion that they just forgot, yea sure that's why it took so long

Facts don't care about what you understand or accept.

RIAA took 10-15 years to update 30 Wayne certifications. That alone proves RIAA isn't accurate in real time.

I don't personally give a fukk about Nas either way. I got like, 2-3 post in his new album thread. I think I got 1-2 in "King's Disease". I'm telling you how RIAA works, and has worked, since day 1. If all those numbers you quoted are from RIAA, guess what....they most likely aren't accurate either. Has nothing to do with how much I like, or dislike, an artist.

Fred.

 

[JustCKing]

This whole certification thing is different. You can't really compare a full page of Wayne certifications in 2020 to singular Nas or Jay certifications from two decades ago. Why? Streaming changed the whole process of how music gets certified. That whole page of Wayne certifications is more than likely due to streaming where 20 years ago, those certifications were from actual physical units shipped. Now, it's not even a measure of the units shipped, but a measure of consumption based on the streaming numbers. Another example is Jay getting a certification for MCHG and 4:44 the day of release. This would not have happened before. Sprint and Samsung bought a million copies and offered them to their customers, which is equivalent to 1 million units shipped. That made him eligible for platinum the day of release.

 

[hex]

This whole certification thing is different. You can't really compare a full page of Wayne certifications in 2020 to singular Nas or Jay certifications from two decades ago. Why? Streaming changed the whole process of how music gets certified. That whole page of Wayne certifications is more than likely due to streaming where 20 years ago, those certifications were from actual physical units shipped. Now, it's not even a measure of the units shipped, but a measure of consumption based on the streaming numbers. Another example is Jay getting a certification for MCHG and 4:44 the day of release. This would not have happened before. Sprint and Samsung bought a million copies and offered them to their customers, which is equivalent to 1 million units shipped. That made him eligible for platinum the day of release.

The problem with this logic is "Go DJ" came out in 2004, it very obviously didn't take 16 years to go platinum. Same with "The Carter", and a few other songs/albums. Half of them predate streaming.

Realistically it would've went plat before streaming even caught on, and now it's probably 2-3x plat due to streaming. But again....they haven't updated the numbers yet.

Fred.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Facts don't care about what you understand or accept.

RIAA took 10-15 years to update 30 Wayne certifications. That alone proves RIAA isn't accurate in real time.

I don't personally give a fukk about Nas either way. I got like, 2-3 post in his new album thread. I think I got 1-2 in "King's Disease". I'm telling you how RIAA works, and has worked, since day 1. If all those numbers you quoted are from RIAA, guess what....they most likely aren't accurate either. Has nothing to do with how much I like, or dislike, an artist.

Fred.

It's a fact that Nas sold 1/4,1/6 and 1/8 of that biggie, Warren & bone sold after 21 months on the charts (the time of his first certification). Your fantasy of them forgetting illmatic, is just that, fantasy.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

This whole certification thing is different. You can't really compare a full page of Wayne certifications in 2020 to singular Nas or Jay certifications from two decades ago..

He knows this, but he had to come up with something. He could of just compared it to albums that came out the same year, ok but he was on a intellectually disingenuous mission, per the usual.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Yes.

Examples of him taking his style? (I never fukked with dude like that, r. I. P)

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Man I don’t feel like going to genius and copying + pasting verses. Content has nothing to do with lyrical ability and vice versa but most of the lyrics on Illmatic were either flex rapping about how good he is and reflection of his upbringing and childhood growing up in QB. One Love is him writing his homies locked up. Memory Lane is a reflection track same with Life’s a bytch. Doggystyle don’t have much content still a classic. Lil Wayne post 04-05 was “rapping in circles” most of the time still dropped classics tho. Supreme Clientele top 5 album oat and 2 of the best songs on it is Ghost just saying a bunch of mumbo jumbo that sounds fly.

His verse on Life’s a bytch is fye same wit his verses on One Love and Memory Lane are all fye. Even on songs like The World is Yours he’s flex rapping but also rapping about his day to day lifestyle. Idk what u got against Nas lmao but we not gone act like Illmatic not hard.

Illmatic is average at best. He has multiple albums better than it. I don't like the faux east coast media bias bullshyt narrative, like illmatic made a big splash in 1994,when i vividly remember it not meaning much at all, despite being in my household. Pasting verses isn't hard at all. If you really stand on the shyt u was talking. I thought Wayne rapping in circles was corny too. I respect the hustle, but when they was calling him BEST RAPPER ALIVE, I thought it was very comical. Never thought he was better than T.i. Or even Luda. But from a work standpoint, he really worked for that spot,so i respect it.

 

[O.G.B]

This is one big ass juelz.gif.

And right off the bat you have your facts wrong. RIAA doesn't track sales, only units shipped.

Units shipped are STILL sold records (sales) albeit, not to the end consumer. And the RIAA doesn't just count "only" shipped units, they tally digital downloads as well.

"The Carter" was certified gold in 2004.

It was certified platinum September 25, 2020.

"Go DJ" was certified gold in 2005.

It was certified platinum September 25, 2020.
So it took 15-16 years for Wayne to do an additional 500k, right?

"Illmatic" was certified gold in 1996. It was certified platinum in 2001, and 2x plat in 2019.
Given the inaccuracy of Wayne's numbers....what can we surmise from this?

Damn near the whole 1st page of Wayne's RIAA page is September 25th, 2020. Why? Because that's when they updated the certifications, not when it actually shipped that amount.

You talking about Snoop or Jay-Z or whoever got accurate numbers is irrelevant. I already said sometimes the numbers are right, sometimes they take forever to update. There's no way to argue the Nas numbers are right unless you think it was taking Wayne 15+ years to get a plaque, which is fukking crazy.

Fred.

Word Salad breh!