doggystyle is better than illmatic

[mobbinfms]

Not true. Bone, Thugs & Harmony/CREEPIN' ON AH COME UP has clearly outso

Yes, but Bone was more popular the instant Thuggish Ruggish dropped. And your point was artist with debut albums in 94 who BOTH outsold Illmatic as of today and were less popular in 94. So Bone doesn’t apply as they were clearly more popular in 94.

 

[Bickin Back Being Bool]

Both classics and have to be in a certain mood to listen to either.

Spoiler

exactly

friday night, i'm playin doggystyle

monday morning, i'm playing illmatic

5 pages arguing about nothing

 

[filial_piety]

nah Illmatic all day....and TBH Doggystyle is a great album but it isn't even better than The Chronic imo...and never has been

if we're measuring crossover appeal and popularity....then Doggystyle is a no brainer....back in 93' I remember when that album broke all the 1st week sales records...and the hype was insane...people forget that Death Row had all of the outlets on lock....MTV played their songs, videos and interviews 24/7...and if you remember, MTV was it....if you were on there you had arrived as a megastar..

Nas was definately an emcees emcee....he was basically underground...and his videos 9/10 were on BET...illmatic was bootlegged and dubbed to death in the hood....I don't ever remember seeing it aint hard to tell or the world is yours on MTV....it was always on Rap City with Big lez and Joe Claire....but imo it was definately respected on a higher level to pure HH heads around the way...illmatic simply had people questioning life...and how someone could be that nice lyrically and creatively

 

[O.G.B]

What are we talking about her exactly? You’ve referenced popularity initially, but for Nas you’re bringing up him being the next Rakim, which isn’t something that would result in mainstream success. Plus you are talking about street buzz also. That’s not popularity/commercial success. So are talking about popularity/commercial success or acclaim in the underground/street buzz? It can’t be both.

What we're "talking about" here is that Nas was New York's rap wonder kid, considered the next Rakim skill wise along with being immensely popular among hip hop heads in the Mecca of Hip-Hop before Illmatic was released.

"When Nas debuted in 1994, he was quickly labeled the new Rakim. But he was a new kind of beast — try Rakim, Slick Rick, Kool G Rap and KRS-One wrapped into one MC. He was grungy and unrefined, but prolific. Although Wu-Tang Clan, Buckshot from Black Moon, Snoop and Tha Dogg Pound were spitting at the time, upon Nasir’s arrival, it was clear that he was special."

So no matter how you spin it, despite the lofty acclaim & praise Nas received before Illmatic's debut, mainstream hip hop consumers weren't checking for Illmatic initially after it's release, which was ultimately a direct cause of his low sales.

As for Coolio, Brat and Bone, their lead singles from their 94 albums, which, iirc, all dropped before the album, catapulted them well beyond Nas in terms of commercial success/popularity. Which is why their albums initially sold more.

Yes, but Bone was more popular the instant Thuggish Ruggish dropped. And your point was artist with debut albums in 94 who BOTH outsold Illmatic as of today and were less popular in 94. So Bone doesn’t apply as they were clearly more popular in 94.

At the end of day, who's fault is that? It's Nas issue/problem that he didn't have a lead hit single on Illmatic in 1994 that could propel his record sales, not Coolio, Da Brat or Bone, Thugs & Harmony, as their debut hit singles in 1994 helped fuel their initial album sales to RIAA Gold/Platinum certification before Illmatic.

How much of Illmatic’s sales are directly attributable to the re-releases?

Apparently it helped somewhat, as it took Nas 18 years (double verified )
After going Platinum to go 2x Multi-Platinum.

 

[mobbinfms]

What we're "talking about" here is that Nas was New York's rap wonder kid, considered the next Rakim skill wise along with being immensely popular among hip hop heads in the Mecca of Hip-Hop before Illmatic was released.

"When Nas debuted in 1994, he was quickly labeled the new Rakim. But he was a new kind of beast — try Rakim, Slick Rick, Kool G Rap and KRS-One wrapped into one MC. He was grungy and unrefined, but prolific. Although Wu-Tang Clan, Buckshot from Black Moon, Snoop and Tha Dogg Pound were spitting at the time, upon Nasir’s arrival, it was clear that he was special."

So no matter how you spin it, despite the lofty acclaim & praise Nas received before Illmatic's debut, mainstream hip hop consumers weren't checking for Illmatic initially after it's release, which was ultimately a

So we are talking about credibility amongst heads? Since you brought up Rakim again as the bench mark, which clearly means we aren’t talking about sales or popularity.
So what do Coolio, Brat and Bone have to do with that discussion?

 

[mobbinfms]

At the end of day, who's fault is that? It's Nas issue/problem that he didn't have a lead hit single on Illmatic in 1994 that could propel his record sales, not Coolio, Da Brat or Bone, Thugs & Harmony, as their debut hit singles in 1994 helped fuel their initial album sales to RIAA Gold/Platinum c

They weren’t making the same type of music. Why even compare them?
Compare Nas to OC, Jeru, Black Moon, etc.
Coolio, Brat and Bone were all, in some way or another, riding the G funk wave. All their singles had singing on the hook. They were aiming for sales. Nas wasn’t. He was aiming to be the next Rakim as you mentioned. Or G Rap.

 

[mobbinfms]

Apparently it helped somewhat, as it took Nas 18 years (double verified )
After going Platinum to go 2x Multi-

So you don’t know. Ok.

 

[Cladyclad]

Please hammer don't hurt em is better than Illmatic, yes. Not cause the sales, it's just better music, more bona-fide classic songs. Anyways. Nas sampled the biggest album of all time trying to succeed and was salty when that swv right here remix came out cause he felt it could fukk him up. Illmatic just want that good. Luckily Nas learned from a real hip hop Don and changed everything for IWW, and he finally start popping.

I’m not even that harsh

 

[Mag Wheel]

Queer post. It’s validated.smh

 

[O.G.B]

So we are talking about credibility amongst heads? Since you brought up Rakim again as the bench mark, which clearly means we aren’t talking about sales or popularity. So what do Coolio, Brat and Bone have to do with that discussion?

Coolio, Da Brat & Bone, Thugs & Harmony were relative unknowns in rap who all had debut albums that went Platinum a year or less after they were released while a revered,
New York rap prodigy like Nas couldn't do it in the prime of hip-hop.

“I was happy to be involved with so many creative people…I felt I was going to be protected with their tutelage. I felt like I was in a safe situation so it was like a
super dream come true. This is what we are all looking for.” Nas

They weren’t making the same type of music. Why even compare them?
Compare Nas to OC, Jeru, Black Moon, etc. Coolio, Brat and Bone were all, in some way or another, riding the G funk wave. All their singles had singing on the hook. They were aiming for sales. Nas wasn’t. He was aiming to be the next Rakim as you mentioned. Or G Rap.

Whatever excuses you come up with as to why Nas failed to grab rap fans attention with his debut album, when it comes to Illmatic album sales (especially during the height of hip-hop)

Nas Lost!

How much of Illmatic’s sales are directly attributable to the re-releases?

So you don’t know. Ok.

The Hip-Hop community & the RIAA know!

It took Nas 18 years After going Platinum to go 2x Multi- Platinum.

 

[mobbinfms]

Coolio, Da Brat & Bone, Thugs & Harmony were relative unknowns in rap who all had debut albums that went Platinum a year or less after they were released while a revered,
New York rap prodigy like Nas couldn't do it in the prime of hip-hop.

“I was happy to be involved with so many creative people…I felt I was going to be protected with their tutelage. I felt like I was in a safe situation so it was like a
super dream come true. This is what we are all looking for.” Nas

Do you acknowledge that Coolio, Brat and Bone were making a very different hip hop compared to Illmatic?

 

[mobbinfms]

Whatever excuses you come up with as to why Nas failed to grab rap fans attention with his debut album, when it comes to Illmatic album sales (especially during the height of hip-hop)

Nas Lost!

I see you are just and not capable of a nuanced discussion

 

[mobbinfms]

The Hip-Hop community & the RIAA know!

It took Nas 18 years After going Platinum to

So you are not only but you can’t even comprehend the question being asked

 

[O.G.B]

Do you acknowledge that Coolio, Brat and Bone were making a very different hip hop compared to Illmatic?

I see you are just and not capable of a nuanced discussion

So you are not only but you can’t even comprehend the question being asked

Guess you realized it was only so long you could keep trolling by repackaging paragraphs & duplicating the same comments over & over.


The discussion was over before it started.

"Hip hop became a best-selling genre in the mid-1990s and the top-selling music genre by 1999."

No matter how you feel about Nas as an artist/MC, his debut album Illmatic, sold poorly during the most successful era of rap & wasn't a commercial success initially.

 

[O.G.B]

@bigbadbossup2012
@Cladyclad

Damn, even 69 Boyz, MC Eiht & Big Mike's debut albums in 1994 went Gold/Platinum before Nas Illmatic.


69 BOYZ NINETEEN NINETY QUAD
Release Date: MAY 27, 1994
Previous Certification(s)
Platinum | July 11, 1995
Gold | February 22, 1995

MC EIHT WE COME STRAPPED
Release Date: JULY 12, 1994
Previous Certification(s)
Gold | SEPTEMBER 29, 1995

BIG MIKE SOMETHIN' SERIOUS
Release Date: JUNE 28, 1994
Previous Certification(s)
Gold | OCTOBER 26, 1994