doggystyle is better than illmatic

[Cladyclad]

@bigbadbossup2012
@Cladyclad

Damn, even 69 Boyz, MC Eiht & Big Mike's debut albums in 1994 went Gold/Platinum before Nas Illmatic.


69 BOYZ NINETEEN NINETY QUAD
Release Date: MAY 27, 1994
Previous Certification(s)
Platinum | July 11, 1995
Gold | February 22, 1995

MC EIHT WE COME STRAPPED
Release Date: JULY 12, 1994
Previous Certification(s)
Gold | SEPTEMBER 29, 1995

BIG MIKE SOMETHIN' SERIOUS
Release Date: JUNE 28, 1994
Previous Certification(s)
Gold | OCTOBER 26, 1994

But will be the first to downplay that one guy debut by saying he was a nobody

 

[Alexander Wiggin]

horrible thread y'all

nas didn't sell much because 1 his music didn't crossover and 2 columbia didn't know how to market rap, hence big l, fugees first joint and constipated monkeys didn't do well. only cypress hill managed to sell records and they had the songs for

but nas and illmatic got critical aclaim like a few rare album had at that time. I don't see why there's so much discussion

 

[DontEemTry]

I'm one of those people that believe IWW is Nas' best work so this current debate is kind of hilarious to me.

I did go back to relisten to both back to back and I have to say Doggystyle holds up much much better. That was just a special time for the west coast man.

 

[T.he I.nformant]

fukk Nas Coalition assembled in here. Babbling about sales and all kinds of dumb hater shyt. Trying to rewrite history. Probably got too much sodium in your diets. Both of these albums are classics. I personally prefer illmatic and rate it higher. But I ain’t mad at anyone who has doggystyle higher on their list.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Def both in the top 5 of goat albums but Doggystyle gets the edge just off the production

 

[Wacky D]

illmatic in my top 10
but
doggystyle in my top 5

 

[mobbinfms]

Guess you realized it was only so long you could keep trolling by repackaging paragraphs & duplicating the same comments over & over.


The discussion was over before it started.

"Hip hop became a best-selling genre in the mid-1990s and the top-selling music genre by 1999."

No matter how you feel about Nas as an artist/MC, his debut album Illmatic, sold poorly during the most successful era of rap & wasn't a commercial success initially.

94 wasn’t the most successful era of rap. But your overall point, on a surface level, is accurate. I’ve been trying to go deeper and have a nuanced discussion on this, but you just want to on the surface, so carry on.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Do you acknowledge that Coolio, Brat and Bone were making a very different hip hop compared to Illmatic?

And, fukk is your point?
Your EXCUSE is "well he didn't sound like them". I know he didn't. And he wasn't really popping but has been rewarded and praised as if he was

 

[JustCKing]

94 wasn’t the most successful era of rap. But your overall point, on a surface level, is accurate. I’ve been trying to go deeper and have a nuanced discussion on this, but you just want to on the surface, so carry on.

This.

Illmatic wasn't going to be this top seller in 1994 because it was an outlier to what was hot the time. G Funk was still the dominant sound of the day. Every album that was selling had G Funk vibe.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

@bigbadbossup2012
@Cladyclad

Damn, even 69 Boyz, MC Eiht & Big Mike's debut albums in 1994 went Gold/Platinum before Nas Illmatic.


69 BOYZ NINETEEN NINETY QUAD
Release Date: MAY 27, 1994
Previous Certification(s)
Platinum | July 11, 1995
Gold | February 22, 1995

MC EIHT WE COME STRAPPED
Release Date: JULY 12, 1994
Previous Certification(s)
Gold | SEPTEMBER 29, 1995

BIG MIKE SOMETHIN' SERIOUS
Release Date: JUNE 28, 1994
Previous Certification(s)
Gold | OCTOBER 26, 1994

Very aware. Now imagine they had the east coast media's unwavering cheerlading to help push them even further.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Def both in the top 5 of goat albums but Doggystyle gets the edge just off the production

No the fukk, illmatic ain't even a top 100 goat album. Not even top ten of 1994

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

fukk Nas Coalition assembled in here. Babbling about sales and all kinds of dumb hater shyt. Trying to rewrite history. Probably got too much sodium in your diets. Both of these albums are classics. I personally prefer illmatic and rate it higher. But I ain’t mad at anyone who has doggystyle higher on their list.

Nas a legend, but illmatic is grossly overrated and it's legacy was created by bias media. It wasnt some organically beloved Alvin that had the streets raving, from coast to coast. That's Cap

 

[JustCKing]

And, fukk is your point?
Your EXCUSE is "well he didn't sound like them". I know he didn't. And he wasn't really popping but has been rewarded and praised as if he was

Nobody has done that though. Yeah, there's people who will tell you that Nas ran '94, but obviously those people weren't around to even have an opinion. Nas is my favorite rapper, and while Illmatic is his most acclaimed album, 1994 wasn't even the biggest year of his career. Obviously, Illmatic made an impact though, a huge one even if it was mostly on the East Coast. Mobb Deep, Wu, and Kool G. Rap had him on their albums. There were bigger rappers commercially, but Nas was sought after.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

This.

Illmatic wasn't going to be this top seller in 1994 because it was an outlier to what was hot the time. G Funk was still the dominant sound of the day. Every album that was selling had G Funk vibe.

So the top excuses are
1. Bootleggers specifically targeting Nas
2. Riaa taking their Time with Nas certifications
3. And he wasn't supposed to sale cause he didn't use g-funk.

 

[JustCKing]

So the top excuses are
1. Bootleggers specifically targeting Nas
2. Riaa taking their Time with Nas certifications
3. And he wasn't supposed to sale cause he didn't use g-funk.

#3 isn't an excuse. Every album you listed that sold records had G Funk. The only real exception I saw was Meth and 69 Boyz. Data actually supports claim #3.