Dominicans Have Reached a Boiling Point
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@ToussaintI can’t wait till we take the Island back from these me no black papi motherfukkersCOLAN GIET PAPPAOU
Warren Peace
Superstar
They need to squash the beef
Where's the "corporate bum" to make sense of this
Lol unless he changed his name or is bushed again
Lol unless he changed his name or is bushed again
Yea, my dad always goes to Haiti over the summer, but when I asked him about this year, he said nah
Brehvity3135
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I can’t wait till we take the Island back from these me no black papi motherfukkers
it would look like Afghanistan within 18 months with y’all leadership.
Meanwhile the DR surpassed 7 million visitors as of July, on pace to break year records once again
Black Mamba
Superstar
it would look like Afghanistan within 18 months with y’all leadership.
Meanwhile the DR surpassed 7 million visitors as of July, on pace to break year records once again
DrBanneker
Space is the Place
You bring up some interesting points...but you keep bring up the above and I can't figure out why it has any relevance outside of nationalist talking points. Unless someone is trying to push a sly idea that Dominicans are the rightful owners of the whole island or Haitians have less legitimacy to immigrate to DR because Dominicans were there first this doesn't prove much. Mexicans and others talk about how the Spanish were in Florida and the Western US before the English got here, but take that to the bank now.
Also the Haitian and DR history gets oversimplified by partisans on each side. Haiti invaded the DR, twice--once in 1822 until 1844 and once in 1854 when they got beat badly at La Carreras. The DR was in their rights to fight for their freedom since slavery was no longer an issue after abolition in 1822
Also, Haiti in 1854 was being both egged on by Britain and France to counter US designs on DR and Haiti was also fearful that the near imminent annexation of the DR by the US would reimpose slavery on the island. DR, like Haiti, was not recognized by the US since the Southern politicians were not keen to recognize a free Black population. Not that Haiti was right but that was why it happened. On the flip side, the Spanish are not villified in DR like Haiti when they invaded and re-colonized DR in the 1860s. In fact it is a point of record that the Haitian leader of the time, Geffard, gave material assistance and asylum to DR freedom fighters against Spain. Again, Haiti was worried about Spain soft reimposing slavery. A lot of Haiti's foreign policy before the US Civil War's end was invested in this for obvious reasons.
As far as stability, well DR is definitely more stable now but they aren't in a position to cast many stones. Their per capita GDP just passed Haiti only a generation ago and between Haiti and the DR, their governments have been so unstable that 7 percent of all constitutions that have existed in the modern era were from either of the two countries. DR has actually had more different constitutions than any other country in the world--33 since 1844 (for details on both see the Endurance of National Constitutions by Elkins and Ginsburg, p. 60 for example). Trujillo alone went through five under his watch.
DR seems in a much better place now and I respect their achievements but it reeks of insecurity to claim there has always been this massive civilizational gulf between them and Haiti. The current status quo is pretty recent. I would say they were basically parity until the 1980s or so with the gulf widening after the Cedras coup against Aristide.
Brehvity3135
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You bring up some interesting points...but you keep bring up the above and I can't figure out why it has any relevance outside of nationalist talking points. Unless someone is trying to push a sly idea that Dominicans are the rightful owners of the whole island or Haitians have less legitimacy to immigrate to DR because Dominicans were there first this doesn't prove much. Mexicans and others talk about how the Spanish were in Florida and the Western US before the English got here, but take that to the bank now.
Also the Haitian and DR history gets oversimplified by partisans on each side. Haiti invaded the DR, twice--once in 1822 until 1844 and once in 1854 when they got beat badly at La Carreras. The DR was in their rights to fight for their freedom since slavery was no longer an issue after abolition in 1822
On the flip side, the Spanish are not villified in DR like Haiti when they invaded and re-colonized DR in the 1860s. In fact it is a point of record that the Haitian leader of the time, Geffard, gave material assistance and asylum to DR freedom fighters against Spain. Again, Haiti was worried about Spain soft reimposing slavery. A lot of Haiti's foreign policy before the US Civil War's end was invested in this for obvious reasons.
As far as stability, well DR is definitely more stable now but they aren't in a position to cast many stones. Their per capita GDP just passed Haiti only a generation ago and between Haiti and the DR, their governments have been so unstable that 7 percent of all constitutions that have existed in the modern era were from either of the two countries. DR has actually had more different constitutions than any other country in the world--33 since 1844 (for details on both see the Endurance of National Constitutions by Elkins and Ginsburg, p. 60 for example). Trujillo alone went through five under his watch.
DR seems in a much better place now and I respect their achievements but it reeks of insecurity to claim there has always been this massive civilizational gulf between them and Haiti. The current status quo is pretty recent. I would say they were basically parity until the 1980s or so with the gulf widening after the Cedras coup against Aristide.
1. Yes it’s important to reiterate who arrived first because the way Haitian history is taught is that Dominicans didn’t exist until Haitian independence
. So that’s important to their very identity but it’s a complete distortion of history and reality. You can peep the language in this very thread that alludes to this delusion. That’s basically the crux of their problems is that their identity has always been contentious.2.
Let’s stop the slavery bit because the same system was imposed by Boyer during the occupation. Black Haitians were condemned to a plot of land. And Dominicans didnt have freedom of movement.The annexation by the US wasn’t a serious problem for the simple fact the US wasn’t going to admit a free mixed raced population ie “black” into their Union. Especially one attached to Haiti. That’s not why Haiti continued attempting to invade. Sad they continued to lose when they had damn near 5x the population but that’s what happens when you don’t know peace and see point 1. Soulouque despised mixed race people to begin with. He murdered his own at some point so the narrative of being afraid of slavery is a distortion of reality.
Again see point 1. The identity has always been contentious.
3. I’m aware of the different constitutions but that’s not an indication of instability here. That’s a very Americanized viewpoint of nationhood. The reason for the continuing changes to the constitution are due to politicians wanting to leave their footprint. The core principles remain in tact.
4. Spaniards aren’t vilified for a multitude of reasons. Maybe because they are diplomatic partners today. Maybe because they aren’t a threat today. But I often read this as if it’s a slight. Lol they are pretty much irrelevant in daily discussion.
There’s a complete difference because the masses don’t believe the people who are in charge are Haitian. A good economy comes from stability. Until that is rectified it’s not going to be sustainable. The history says there’s a mistrust of organized government. See point 1
Nkrumah Was Right
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Breh you can come with the ad hominem attacks when I’ve been a legal resident for 6 years. And if you follow my font I’m very open against black men traveling to Latin America for sex tourism as it’s a negative stereotype for our image.
to history breh I’m not going to get into that as it’s just historical facts that Spanish arrived first with African slaves and created settlements. These ppl became Dominicans. Black slaves to what is now Haiti didn’t arrive for a whole 150 years after Spanish arrival.
Why y’all are stuck and continue to distort this easily verifiable fact is all the more reason of the internal crisis that takes part inside of y’all. It’s very evident that y’all haven’t rectified your origins. But like I always say ask 3 of ya and you’ll get 5 different answers
Nkrumah Was Right
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Whatever, I hope Dominicans keep embarrassing Haitians. I sincerely hope so. Not because I care for D.R because it is time that the Haitian government does their job. Keeping up with Haitian news has made me a hateful, no nonsense person when it comes lack of integrity and corruption. There is no government in the last 30 years that has lacked more integrity than the Haitian government. I would put them all in body bags within 24 hours if I had the power too. Does this make me a f'd up individual? probably but when people have to risk their lives on boats, die cross forest, face racisms in their neighborhood country while getting killed by gangs in their own country because you are fighting for power and doing absolutely nothing with it, you deserve death.
Enough is enough. These idiots brought the country to the brink of no return because they wanted to over throw Jovenel, now the worst of the worst in society are killing and kidnapping. I'd put them all in body bags and start over.
All the current government officials have been exposed so its time to start new. Sadly, this country can't be on a development track without outside. The police need reinforcement, the army need reinforcement, infrastructure is needed. The country just don't have that type of money due to constant corruption. It is broken. Gangs with costumes, gangs with high powered weapons, both the same, I would have them in body bags.
Haiti is under US occupation. There is no “Haitian government”.
Nkrumah Was Right
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Part of the reason why the Caribbean is the plaything of US imperialism is because the majority of Caribbean countries are small.
In an alternative reality where Hispaniola was controlled by a single state, it’d be a force to be reckoned with in North America.
Even Cuba, despite the US blockade, was able to project military power to Angola/Namibia at its height in the 70s. Hispaniola has twice Cuba’s population.
In an alternative reality where Hispaniola was controlled by a single state, it’d be a force to be reckoned with in North America.
Even Cuba, despite the US blockade, was able to project military power to Angola/Namibia at its height in the 70s. Hispaniola has twice Cuba’s population.
Thurgood Thurston III
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How do you personally feel about Haitians?
Thurgood Thurston III
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Same here. I'm AA from NYC but I grew up around mostly Haitians (Flatbush). They tell me the same things. I'm a bit biased here since I've experienced racism from Dominicans and Hispanics in general (still fukk with them though).(1/2)
"Yank" from Miami here, obviously I grew up around both groups, from FOBs all the way to 2nd/3rd generations, forgive me if I'm overstepping
I got nothing but love for Zoes and as far as I can remember, I've never had anyexperiences with Dominicans, Black or mestizo
But I have heard Haitian-American friends tell me about Dominicans flipping out or acting all passive aggressive when they find out they're talking to a Haitian more times than I can count but it's clearly bigger than that
I remember when there was this weird "black vs Hispanic NYC war" on Facebook. It was so much racist shyt coming from them....