yea why not have a guy who has filed for bankruptcy twice run this country
it really makes sense
Donald Trumps retweet.....wow
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yea why not have a guy who has filed for bankruptcy twice run this country
it really makes sense
ill
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I think successful businessmen are at the forefront. If they show they can be "socially liberal" then they are a perfect candidate in my eyes. Most people don't understand the mental fortitude needed to run a big corporation. The key attributes for these people are financial awareness/knowledge and great managerial skills. To me, thats what takes to run the country. The bolded is the MOST important. The POTUS doesn't do his own research or make his own decisions. He only has the FINAL decision. Effective management should mean that the people he has working for him are smarter than him (yet he's making the money/fame off them). POTUS has his cabinet work for him and then takes the blame/credit for the policies that his team created. I personally see a lot of similarities in POTUS vs businessman.
see my post below yours. was elaborating as you posted apparently lol
Donald Trump is gonna win
Do you really believe that after cacs made Obama president for two terms?
Lets continue pretending like Obama had an overwhelming white voter turnout.
And yes, Trump is the cac favorite, he's got a legit shot at winning.
Brown_Pride
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I'm still not sold on that being that important. It's important only in that in this day and age someone without a backbone and some savvy would be used as a puppet. Also, based on the shyt decisions a lot of companies have mad based on their management i'm still not sold on a successful businessman translating into a successful politician...or rather an effective politician. American politics has been driven so much by a bottom line business model that has quite frankly placed us from #1 in the world in all the right categories to a shadow of our former greatness.
Business management isn't so much about managing business anymore it's about driving up stock price by any means necessary and then leaving with a bonus often at the expense of long term planning and longevity. This, IMHO is the exact opposite of what a country should be doing. The pump and dump mindset we see in a lot of our politicians now reeks of this same myopic stance.
"How can I create the most BUZZ around my name so i can build my brand, make my connections and then leave for the private sector? Gay marriage, war, racism, guns?"
A good businessman <> an effective politician. I'll point you to the congressional approval rating.
THOUGH, sometimes effective politicians were formerly businessmen.
The black population in America is only 14%
Obama represented what cacs wanted a black American to be like that's why they made him president for two terms[/QUOTE]
You really believe he will be president, no wonder you think white supremacy is some powerful force...
The favorite has to be Bush or Clinton but if you think Trump is the cac favorite i will let you cook.
I can't imagine the millions of trailer park white trash in American poverty voting for Trump but i think some black people will.
Personally i'm going to vote for Bernie Sanders but if Trump wins you can say "i told you so"
ill
Superstar
I understand what you're saying but I disagree. Effective and successful business management requires certain traits in a person that are also needed to run a country. Yes, some public companies only think short-term and try to hit their quarterly numbers so the stock rises. Those people are typically in and out of those companies within 1-3 years. The people I am talking about are those that consistently have a proven track record. Think of Warren Buffet deciding to run for President. Mitt Romney was a great example. IMO, he would have won the Presidency if he went up against anyone other than Obama. And I think he would have been a great president and done just as well, if not better, in regards to the economic situation we were facing. Politics is mainly networking to create policy, business opportunity, and career advancement which is basically what a businessman is a master at. The Presidency is the culmination of ones career where they are at the top of their game. He creates a vision for his company to administer and managed his people in order to accomplish those goals. Maybe its my business-orientation but the similarities are very solid to me. With that said, I view being a successful businessman as more of a prerequisite rather than the end all be all. Charisma, issues, likability, etc also factor in.
Brown_Pride
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Your entire post highlights the one undeniable thing left out of the mentality of a business man. PEOPLE. A president is a leader of people. A businessman is a leaders of dollars and industry. There a very crucial distinction. There are two departments most CEO's hate the most. 1. Accounting, we tell them all the shyt they can't do. 2. HR they tell them all the shyt they can't do.
A president HAS TO think of the people as more than just a means to an end--a tool to be used, a cog in a machine they are trying to build. People are who the machine are being built for and again that distinction is one not often made by businessmen. Romney would have been great for (some) industry but the people would have suffered immensely under his watch. Now take a political activist and look at what he's done.
- Quasi Universal Health Coverage
- Decreased the focus on non violent crime
- Repealed don't ask don't tell
- Allowed federal dollars to be spent on stem cell research
- Extended unemployment
- Shyt on trickle down economics
- Fought for environmental protection that reduce carbon emissions
All that shyt is for the people and almost all were points romney would have doubled down in the opposite direction.
Politicians need to be humanitarians first (For the people by the people) and businessmen 2nd. When that criteria is met then YES good businessmen can make GREAT politicians for all the reasons you listed, otherwise they're just money hungry businessmen with the power of the US government added to their arsenal.
lol noDonald Trump is gonna win
this is true. but the main issue with business folks is that they are pushed by The Bottom LINE = $$$$$$.
So if said business man gets in. what does he/she use as their BOTTOM LINE? if it aint $$$$ for themselves when they call it quits, Or $$$$ for the country (you know some folks are hell bent on not having any debt..even if it doesnt make logical financial sense...or $$$$ higher GDP... etc OR is that bottom line something else like He/She wants to be loved by the masses aka approval ratings? or is it some social thing or things. What is that bottom line, and how do you expect to get there.
In addition how big businesses are ran in america. its a lot of unethical stuff going on even though its legal. i mean big business folks lobbying for repubs which are always screaming welfare queen. but at the same token big business is on that corporate welfare like never before. "bu bu but they create jobs...." no they dont. Demand creates, the atmosphere for job creation if a business expects to sustain itself and actually grow their profits. its not like some business just comes along with zero demand and starts hiring 100's of people. doesnt work that way. and one of the biggest points of demand is money in people's pocket. the more the layman has to spend the more he's willing to spend and blow on not only necessities but luxury items as well. he/she will start to call some luxuries necessities(like cable, cell phones, or a 42in+ flat screen TV). that is what creates the jobs in reality.
put it this way. if no other countries existed outside of the US of A. meaning big companies couldnt get cheap labor from any where. They wouldnt be seeing the increased profits that they have seen over the past 15 years or so. They would be losing out big time if they still chose to under pay their employees here in the states or cut jobs. They wouldnt survive. Right now they could sell less product but still do well due to the super low cost of producing their items(using overseas employees at a fraction of the cost of american workers).
So, with all that said. You can give props to a big business owner and they deserve some no doubt. but you always have to keep one eye open when it comes to them as well. because they do a lot of unethical stuff in order to be billionaires. and they would continue to do these things as POTUS because thats all they know. and you couldnt get mad at them after the fact because this is who you voted for.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
I predicted that an openly racist, xenophobic, ultra-nationalist white man would emerge as a presidential contender in 2016 a few years ago in KTL. I just didn't know it would be fukking Donald Trump.
He won't win of course. He won't even get the Repub nomination. He's tapping into a sentiment that's real though.
He won't win of course. He won't even get the Repub nomination. He's tapping into a sentiment that's real though.
ill
Superstar
I generally agree with your premise but I will say that one of the most needed qualities in business is the willingness and fortitude to adapt to the situation at hand. In the sense of the Presidency, the businessman would in turn adapt to the needs of the people while holding on to his intrinsic business skills to guide his way. I'll also say your points may be somewhat on the extreme end of things and most businesses aren't being a$$holes and doing unethical things. There are many businesses that do things the "right way" and go above and beyond for their employees and clients. We only hear about the bad ones on the news. My argument is basically that a business person knows how to work his way around different environments and knows how best to play 'the system' and if that 'system' is the Oval Office, he'll be more capable to manage that situation over someone without that background.