Doug Collins Firing watch

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Brooks probably isn't even an average coach. That team made it to the finals, purely on talent - not the way they were ran.

But you can't ignore the fact that guys like Harden, Durant, and Westbrook became All-Star caliber players under his watch, and Ibaka became a defensive powerhouse. Brooks has to get some credit for that. His offensive playbook could use some development, but that's not the only quality of a coach. Managing egos, figuring out what rotations to use, developing players: that's all part of it.

And when they went down 0-2 to the Spurs, a veteran team with THE best coach in the league, you can't tell me Brooks had no part in turning that series around. Plus, it's extremely rare that a team with such a young core makes it to the NBA Finals, no matter how much talent they had. Remember when they made it to the WCF the year before, and Westbrook was :youngsabo:'n every damn game? You don't think Brooks had a hand in getting him to cool that shyt out?
 
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But you can't ignore the fact that guys like Harden, Durant, and Westbrook became All-Star caliber players under his watch, and Ibaka became a defensive powerhouse. Brooks has to get some credit for that. His offensive playbook could use some development, but that's not the only quality of a coach. Managing egos, figuring out what rotations to use, developing players: that's all part of it.

I also can't ignore the fact that they ALL would be better right now, if they had a better coach that utilized their talents properly. Ibaka isn't a defensive-powerhouse, his blocking ability (natural talent) is why he's a defensive threat, take away that and he does nothing fundamentally 'great' on the defensive end. His offensive-playbook doesn't need any development, simply because he doesn't have one. There's no structure to the offense, its basis is all isolation. Minimal - ball movement, off-ball movement, pin/flare screens etc etc. Without Westbrook/Durant-caliber type players - the offensive-system would be looking like one of the worst in the league.

Brooks' offense is closer to the Bobcats than the Heat's.

If those are the qualities of good coach (managing egos, figuring out what rotations to use, developing players) it's clear that Brooks isn't even close to a good coach.

And when they went down 0-2 to the Spurs, a veteran team with THE best coach in the league, you can't tell me Brooks had no part in turning that series around. Plus, it's extremely rare that a team with such a young core makes it to the NBA Finals, no matter how much talent they had. Remember when they made it to the WCF the year before, and Westbrook was :youngsabo:'n every damn game? You don't think Brooks had a hand in getting him to cool that shyt out?

When was the last time a squad had THREE 20+ point wing scorers on its team? The Thunder got there purely on talent, obviously not ENTIRELY - but it all revolved around the star players' natural abilities.

Westbrook :youngsabo:'d just the same, only difference is he limited his turnovers and shot at a higher %:

10/11 playoffs he averaged 20.2 shots per game at 39% averaging 23.8 PPG (4.6 turnovers)

11/12 playoffs he averaged 20.4 shots per game at 43% averaging 23.1 PPG (2.3 turnovers).

There a number of things that swung in the Thunder's favor after that 2nd game: Ginobili averaged 23 PPG in the first 2 games then dipped down to 10 PPG over the next 2 games, Pop fukked up his rotations, Ibaka had 4 made field goals in the first 2 games - then had 24 made field goals over the next 4 games etc etc. Once OKC built a lil' momentum from their homes wins, the Spurs found it hard to dictate the pace (the advantage they previously had over the Thunder) over the rest of the series.
 

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The stoop with dat dope fanny padding
he has final say over personnel.

Collins fukked up, end of story


And he is not someone to feel sorry for considering this is about time when he has left his other jobs in the past.

I doubt he was told Bynum was a health risk and there was a chance he'd miss at least half the season before signing off
 

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I doubt he was told Bynum was a health risk and there was a chance he'd miss at least half the season before signing off

:comeon:

Bynum has had a knee injury for the previous 5 seasons before he was traded. Major injuries too... those two knee injuries in 07-08 and 08-09 were :scusthov:


how could he not know?? :comeonson:
 
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Plus, it's extremely rare that a team with such a young core makes it to the NBA Finals

Just imagine that Westbrook, Harden and Durant were all on separate teams and they came together - shyt would be near-equal to what Miami now has in place. Three 'star' 20+ scorers coming together, from that perspective would you still think that it was extremely rare if they made it to the finals?
 

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Doug probably got a lil' buyout money, i assume?

I don't think he's the best coach, but he didn't deserve this from the team...whether it's the terrible 3-way trade, or the team giving up on him.

I know Doug's time with a team usually runs its course after like 3 years, but still. He got fukked over, and i'm really glad he spoke out about it a few weeks ago.

Anyway, i hope he goes back to TNT. Love hearing him on the broadcasts. ESPN/ABC could use him more, actually.
 

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Doug probably got a lil' buyout money, i assume?

I don't think he's the best coach, but he didn't deserve this from the team...whether it's the terrible 3-way trade, or the team giving up on him.

I know Doug's time with a team usually runs its course after like 3 years, but still. He got fukked over, and i'm really glad he spoke out about it a few weeks ago.

Anyway, i hope he goes back to TNT. Love hearing him on the broadcasts. ESPN/ABC could use him more, actually.

He wasnt even giving minutes to Vucci though last season...
 

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He needs to step away. Collins is a coach that is good for a couple years, gets you into the postseason, and then his message just becomes tiring for a team.

He'll be back on TNT next season.
 

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He wasnt even giving minutes to Vucci though last season...
he got plenty of reg season burn, but keep in mind he was a rookie, in a lockout-shortened season, with no training camp, and he obviously wasn't showing the production he has this year...which is on a really bad team anyway.
 

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He needs to step away. Collins is a coach that is good for a couple years, gets you into the postseason, and then his message just becomes tiring for a team.

He'll be back on TNT next season.

I could see him going to work with his son at Northwestern tbh
 
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