If thats the case the producer would do it him/herself with the DAW.
Whoever is the "hired instrument" as you put it was the one who wrote and performed on the track.
They deserve a credit; just say you're a cheap and greedy and keep it real.
Dr. Dre Bemoans Multiple Producers Working On Same Album: 'I Don't Like It'
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If thats the case the producer would do it him/herself with the DAW.
Whoever is the "hired instrument" as you put it was the one who wrote and performed on the track.
They deserve a credit; just say you're a cheap and greedy and keep it real.
If thats the case the producer would do it him/herself with the DAW.
Whoever is the "hired instrument" as you put it was the one who wrote and performed on the track.
They deserve a credit; just say you're a cheap and greedy and keep it real.
WHAT DOES BEING A SESSION PLAYER HAVE TO DO WIT WRITING?
OF COURSE THEY GET CREDIT.. AS AN INSTRUMENTALIST… NOT PRODUCER
ITS LIKE A VIOLIN PLAYER IN AN ORCHESTRA… U THINK HE ASKS FOR CONDUCTOR CREDIT?
THAT WOULDNT MAKE SENSE
I remember reading a Pete Rock interview many years back where he said he didn't really get the distinction that people were making between a beat maker and a producer. He basically said that a beat maker and producer were one of the same thing.
I think its difficult to compare the type of techniques the likes of Quincy Jones and Smokey Robinson used to create the sounds of the records they were producing to sample based hip hop producers like Marley Marl and everyone who came after him, because he and others would not have had access to the top level session musicians that Quincy had.
Dr Dre did get that Quincy level of access to top level musicians once he began to get that success. Therefore, for me Dre using session musicians, other beat makers and/or producers to create an overall project doesn't really negate his point.
For example, compare the budget Quincy would have had to help create Bad for MJ to what Marley was doing with BDK on Long Live The Kane. Was Marley Marl producing, or was he beat making? and how was different to what Quincy was doing with MJ? When you answer these questions Pete Rock's point kinda makes sense.
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FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
I think ultimately we agree. My point was that not directly being on the boards doesn't disqualify you from being a producer, but a lot of hip-hop heads think you can only be a producer if you actually made the beat.
To me a "beat maker" is when you're not actually involved in making the final song, you just provided an instrumental; for example, Dilla on a lot of the Tribe stuff he did, he would just drop the beat off and skip the studio session, leaving Q-Tip to actually put the song together. But guys who both make the beat and produce the track are both
It's similar to how some directors don't even touch the script, while others might actually write it or alter it. But people don't ding directors who don't write the script like hip-hop fans do to producers who don't make the beat
So neither of them knew why or how it happened.. It seems like a market response. Listeners nowdays support big singles with different themes than a full album with a cohesive sound. So artists gamble on different sounds for the album in order to bring in a wide variety of listeners
One person can do two different jobs but they’re still two different jobs.
Technically, a beatmaker is a composer. A beatmaker can produce a record but it’s not all one job.
The_Third_Man
Superstar
it's much harder to make album to make a great cohesive album with multiple producers. it puts more pressure on the rapper and executive producer to make all the producers working on the album see their artistic vision and make the overall sound and sequencing flows seamlessly.
Tommy Gibbs
Superstar
Dre's Compton album had about 10 different producers contributing tracks to the project.
Ur nuts
NO
NOT EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO YOURE SPEAKING OF BELIEVE THIS
DRE IS HANDS DOWN THE GOAT
CATS LIKE QUIK AND DAZ BECOME FANBOYS WHEN DRE IS BROUGHT UP
Tommy Gibbs
Superstar
if that helps you sleep at night. The fact is they all got production credit. Including Primo. Are you saying Dre sat Primo down and walked him through how to produce a beat and lay scratches for this? Even the tracks produced with Dre, that means there were more than one producersYou may need to start buying albums and reading credits. I understand what Dre is saying and he's right to a degree, but he's had albums with more than 1 producer in the studio. That includes Eminem Albums that he executive produced. Dre contributed nothing to Stan. That was Mark 45 King. Eminem and the Bass Bros did others.
You may need to start buying albums and reading credits. I understand what Dre is saying and he's right to a degree, but he's had albums with more than 1 producer in the studio. That includes Eminem Albums that he executive produced. Dre contributed nothing to Stan. That was Mark 45 King. Eminem and the Bass Bros did others.
U HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT DRE MEANT WHATSOEVER
DRE PRODUCED COMPTON AS AN ALBUM, DESPITE HAVING COLLABORATORS
WHAT DRE WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS JUST A COLLECTION OF RANDOM BEATS ALL BY DIFFERENT PRODUCERS PACKAGED AS AN ALBUM WIT NO ONE LEADING THE WAY ON THE ENTIRE PROJECT
THIS ISNT ROCKET SCIENCE FAM