breh jiren got the most generic cut and past anime backstory of all time
at all those people typing up page long theories when he's just another dude with dead parents that got his ass kicked
My post wasn't in regards to his backstory, but rather the unspoken setup he has with Vegeta. His backstory is Toguro, we get it.
Peep the dynamics between 17 and Jiren though. They ridiculed his wish for a large boat, but the reason 17 even has that as the goal is because he was able to leave his past in the past. Dude was a low-key psychopath who had a kick for murder and a good time. Gave all that shyt up and got a family and a job. Meanwhile, Jiren is stuck on the path and while he has gained strength it's mentally holding back from moving on with his life. If Jiren was ready to let the past go then maybe his wish would be just as ludicrous as a boat.

. But offensively Whis said Goku is still thinking before striking, so his attacks aren’t as effective as they should be. If he improves offensively with his next transformation, he could potentially pick Jiren apart by attacking where he needs to, between his guard. Even if Jiren is still the stronger fighter offensively, that would make sense. . 
can my dude please get a come up already? 
its not that deep

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