Duncan or Hakeem, who you taking?

[AlbertPullhoez]

how many titles did houston have before dream? fukk outta here

Timmy ain't need a player to retire to get his titles though

 

[Frump]

damn you basically said basketball doesn't matter, its bout what you believe

just because stats are similliar doesn't mean the players as good

If it's about stats then until this year you could say Kevin Love is as good or better then some all time greats which we know isn't true

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

Hakeem Olajuwon is truly on some god shyt on thecoli its so weird to me

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

The nba is a postseason sport like just because stats are similliar doesn't mean the players as good

If it's about stats then until this year you could say Kevin Love is as good or better then some all time greats which we know isn't true

if thats the case why do you ignore him losing in the first round for 4 years in a row in the weaker west??? why do duncan's PLAYOFF ACCOLADES not matter to you?

don't dare backtack

 

[Jplaya2023]

But Duncan is a PF and the majority of elite bigs of his era were PF's so he went up and guarded all of those PF's

And he still put up 20-12 in that series while dealing with Shaq and Malone

Be mad cause 2 rings ain't more than 5

Dream went against Young Shaq and Ho Grant (who at this time was in his prime and a better defender than malone) gave them 33-10

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

The hyping of Duncan's teammates never ceases to amaze me . It's like dudes just can't process how great dude is because he's so lame and unathletic and he isn't flashy so it had to be Mario Elie, Robert Horry (nikkas who Dream played with BTW), Avery Johnson, Sean Elliot, young and inconsistent TP and Manu, and flabby D. Rob, not his two way greatness that keyed the Spurs . The Spurs went from a yearly playoff disappointment to the most consistent team in the league over a damn near 20 year stretch and the only player there for the whole ride has been Tim but yeah it's all about everybody else .

That said they have always been my 1 and 2 in terms of modern bigs and I have always but Dream first. But what Duncan has done in the twilight of his career can't be denied. Beyond that, if we take the nostalgia glasses off was Dream's peak really that much greater than Duncan's? . I gotta say it's Duncan. He came close enough to Dream at his peak and he blows him out of the water in terms of longevity.

I really want people to look at the Spurs rosters since Tim got there. nikkas will be amazed at some of the bums, washed up old nikkas and journeymen role players Tim played with

 

[FTBS]

I'll give you Shaq, the rest were PFs and duncan (sans yao) and tim is a 7footer.

A prime duncan got shut down by a 40 year old malone in the 04 western semi's

meanwhile dream averaged 35 on 56% shooting against a prime malone (utah team) in the 95 playoffs

21 and 12 is getting shut down breh? . It's not like Duncan was getting swarmed (like always) by the Lakers because they really didn't respect his teammates or anything.

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

Dream went against Young Shaq and Ho Grant (who at this time was in his prime and a better defender than malone) gave them 33-10

5>2

 

[Frump]

if thats the case why do you ignore him losing in the first round for 4 years in a row in the weaker west??? why do duncan's PLAYOFF ACCOLADES not matter to you?

don't dare backtack

You have me confused I think Duncan's a little better then Hakeem but saying the admiral is better then Hakeem is what's crazy

 

[Illin Degenerate]

He was a six seed because his championship squad was fukkin .500 before the drexler trade...then they beat those quality teams...what does that tell you

the rockets were 30-17 before the drexler trade in the regular season, 17-18 afterwards. i'd give a slight edge to hakeem at his best over duncan.

 

[Jplaya2023]

the best teammate dream played with was a declining drexler at 32. (Pippen and Barkley were on their downslope on the rockets especially pippen)

Duncan had a chance to grow with parker and manu (allstars in their prime) as well as young Leonard in the present.

they both had similiar role players (shooters) but Duncan had superior 2nd and 3rd options when parker and manu emerged

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

You have me confused I think Duncan's a little better then Hakeem but saying the admiral is better then Hakeem is what's crazy

you right i got that part of the argument confused. at that point, your opinion is your opinion [regarding duncan and hakeem]. Hakeem is better but the gap isn't insulting

 

[FTBS]

Dream went against Young Shaq and Ho Grant (who at this time was in his prime and a better defender than malone) gave them 33-10

In his second year Duncan went against PRIME Shaq with young Kobe and Rice in tow and put up 29 and 10 (avg 35 and 14 in LA) and swept them out of the Forum with his best teammate avg. 14 ppg.

 

[FTBS]

the best teammate dream played with was a declining drexler at 32. (Pippen and Barkley were on their downslope on the rockets especially pippen)

Duncan had a chance to grow with parker and manu (allstars in their prime) as well as young Leonard in the present.

they both had similiar role players (shooters) but Duncan had superior 2nd and 3rd options when parker and manu emerged

After 3 rings had been won

 

[Bomberman]

Hakeem.

Duncan has better longevity, but if I just want to bring a championship to the team, I'll trust Hakeem in his prime more than any version of Duncan.

This sums it up for me:

http://hoops-nation.com/community/t...a-great-case-over-michael-jordan-as-the-goat/

5.Peak

Hakeem Olajuwon had the greatest peak in the NBA History. He was simply said on a whole new level above the rest and was the league's finest at that time too.

He was the top defender, who was an intimating presence as always, swatting shots (ranked first in the playoffs), interrupting passes as he averaged four blocks and 1.8 steals in the first run. He did average 2.8 swats and 1.2 steals too.

Additionally, Hakeem was arguably the best offensive force too. His post up game was much better than the rest and despite facing great defenders, he was scoring easily and on high percentages. He led twice in that category too and in the Finals.

However, this sentence will sum up him on just how great and dominant he truly was. He also became the only player to win the MVP, Finals MVP, Defensive Player Of The Year in the same season.

Olajuwon outplayed terrific opponents during his successful playoff runs. He totally outclassed David Robinson after the Admiral got the MVP award. He averaged 35.3 points on .560 shooting while containing Robinson to averages of 23.8 points on .449 from field.

Then, he also averaged 32.8 points, 11.5 boards, 5.5 assists on 48.2% field goal percentage versus Shaquille and he led his team to a sweep.

Previously he poured in 26.9 points, pulled down 9.1 rebounds, dished out 3.6 assists and blocked 3.9 shots versus Patrick Ewing in the 94 Finals. He had a near triple double in the deciding Game Seven with 25 points, 10 rebounds and seven assists.

The Dream's dominance and greatness on both sides of the court led the Houston Rockets to two championships. His two successful two playoff runs, in which he outplayed his opponents and earned their respect, is why his peak was arguably second to none.

6.Unstoppable play

When you're one of the one of the most physically gifted athletes, possessed perhaps the top two way package, was one of the finest versatile players and having the most polished post game, you've got all the tools to be unstoppable.

That was exactly what Hakeem Olajuwon was, especially in the prime. He'd torch his opponents with his sick low post abilities, as he had a variety of moves that got faked his defenders out of their shots and few could slow him from getting into a good rhythm.

Here is a good example of just how big threat he was offensively. His ability to score was unquestionable. He ranks top 10 in scoring in both regular and post season.

However, he led three times in the playoffs with averages of 37.5, 28.9 and 33.0 points against elite defensive teams in difficult runs. He was also a decent passer, especially in the second part of his career when he was around four dimes.

Still, it was his ability to pour in bunch of points that made him unstoppable. To prove you that, i will point out his stats versus excellent defenders and teams.

'86 WCF (vs Kareem):
31.0 ppg, 11.2 rpg on 52.0% FG/58.4% TS

'86 Finals (vs Celtics)
24.7 ppg, 11.8 rpg, 1.8 apg on 47.9% FG/52.6% TS

'94 Finals (vs Ewing)
26.9 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 3.6 apg on 50.0% FG/55.6% TS

'95 WCF (vs David Robinson)
35.3 ppg, 12.5 rpg, 5.0 apg on 56.0% FG/59.0% TS

'96 Finals (vs Shaquille O'Neal)
32.8 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 5.5 apg on 48.3% FG/51.4% TS

Those are actually much more impressive numbers when everything is taken in consideration. Not many can do this versus all of the competition he faced. Now you know why he was arguably the most unstoppable force of all time.