Eastern Conference Exec: "Kobe having only 1 MVP is a disgrace. It makes no sense...

[FTBS]

If Colorado never happened I promise you Kobe would have gotten at least one of Nash's MVPs.

Colorado prevented LA from winning 50 games that year?

Its not really that complicated...MVP is not an individual award. Its all about team success. If you dont win at least 50 you have no shot. Some of the greatest seasons ever didnt get MVP. Kobe's derth of MVPs is purely circumstantial much like his 5 rings are. If you have eyes and any understanding of the game you recognize how great he is. Trophies are only necessary for the simple minded and groupies.

 

[Da_Eggman]

didnt even deserve the one

 

[Malik]

So how did boring ass Duncan win 2?

Because he's popular?

 

[Swagnificent]

if you were restart the NBA and do a fantasy draft with bidding...which player would you bid the most for?

thats how I look at most valuable.

if thats the case the MVPs for the last decade would've been

00 - Shaq
01 - Shaq
02 - Shaq
03 - Duncan
04 - Duncan
05 - Duncan
06 - Kobe
07 - Kobe
08 - Kobe
09 - Kobe
10 - LeBron
11 - LeBron
12 - LeBron
13 - LeBron

 

[Swagnificent]

Lakers were 42-40 in 06 and 45-37 in 07.You don't get mvp's if your team is a 7 seed.Why can't people understand this

What other years should kobe have won it? The years lebron won it?

the issue is why should team record be part of the equation?

without Kobe those Lakers teams would've been battling for the #1 pick in the draft

he took a team with Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, and Luke Walton as starters to the playoffs......just think about that

I consider the MVP to be the best player and Kobe was the best player in the league for most of the last decade. At worst he should have 3 MVPs right now. For 06, 07, and 08. I'd also include 09 cause Kobe was better than LeBron but the Cavs had a better record so its debatable.

 

[Swagnificent]

The team was garbage

and?

if its a team award then they should rename it best player on the best team not most valuable

 

[Swagnificent]

He shouldn't even have the one he has tbh. The only time I ever had Kobe as MVP of the league was in 05-06. 07-08 was a life-time achievement award.

his team had the best record in the West and he put up 28/6/5 on good percentages

it was the first year he qualified based on the stupid factors the voters use

he was also the best player in the game that year.....CP3 was not and CP3's team had a worse record

its funny how for Kobe haters if there is someone even close to Kobe any given year that is the dude they give credit to

when Kobe was winning titles with Shaq it was all Shaq's credit.....when Kobe started winning again without Shaq it was Gasol/Bynum.......I'm pretty sure if they win this year it'll be because of Dwight/Nash

 

[Jesus]

I agreed that Kobe winning one mvp is a disgrace. But to see him get selected 10 times in all-nba defensive first team is also a disgrace.

:wow2:

 

[god shamgod]

MVP's a popularity contest. Who has the best story. Point blank. Nash wasn't the best player in 2006, Kobe was. Kobe was putting up 35ppg, outscoring entire teams at will. Nash's team didn't have the best record that year either, Detroit did. You could make the argument that Chauncey Billups should've got the MVP instead because he had similar numbers to Nash & 10 more wins (and the #1 record) to go along with it.


Detroit, 64-18 (2005-06 season)
18ppg, 8ast, 3rbs, 2tos (C. Billups)

Phoenix, 54-28 (2005-06 season)
18ppg, 10ast, 4rbs, 3.5tos (S. Nash)

The year before nash arrived the suns won 29 games and won 62 his 1st season there then the next season lost joe johnson and amare and won 54 games and you're comparing a pistons team who went to the finals and won the title in 04 and went to the ecf in 03

the issue is why should team record be part of the equation?

without Kobe those Lakers teams would've been battling for the #1 pick in the draft

he took a team with Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, and Luke Walton as starters to the playoffs......just think about that

I consider the MVP to be the best player and Kobe was the best player in the league for most of the last decade. At worst he should have 3 MVPs right now. For 06, 07, and 08. I'd also include 09 cause Kobe was better than LeBron but the Cavs had a better record so its debatable.

Because anybody can put up great numbers on average/bad teams, if your team is top 4 in the league and you're putting up the numbers then you're an mvp candidate that the criteria of the award.According to your definition Jordan should have 8-9 mvp's then it don't work that way

 

[Ohene]

if thats the case the MVPs for the last decade would've been

00 - Shaq
01 - Shaq
02 - Shaq
03 - Duncan
04 - Duncan
05 - Duncan
06 - Kobe
07 - Kobe
08 - Kobe
09 - Kobe
10 - LeBron
11 - LeBron
12 - LeBron
13 - LeBron

Based on the performance in the respective years? Hmmm I dunno.

Not sure about Kobe in 06. And honestly, given what Nash did for Pheonix in his first year...somebody may think to bid high for him thinking he'd be a great foundation for a team as opposed to Kobe who is a one man show. Kobe doesnt deserve any of Bron's MVPs

 

[Swagnificent]

It's also wild that he also only has 2 scoring titles...he's arguably the greatest scorer ever.

unlike Jordan he played in an era filled with great wing players (AI, T-Mac, LeBron, Wade, Durant) plus he played half his prime with another 28ppg scorer

if Kobe didn't play with Shaq till 04, he coulda had a couple more

just think about how high his scoring average had to be to win those 2.....he was averaging 35ppg and 32ppg

plus he coulda got it last year if he cared about scoring titles.......he decided to sit out the last game rather than try and score 30 to get the scoring title from Durant

 

[Swagnificent]

The way I see it Bean is even lucky he has one. The one he got in'07 was on some pity, lifetime achievement shyt

his team had the best record in the West, made the finals, and he had great stats across the board both the regular season and playoffs

28/6/5 regular season
30/6/6 playoffs

if anything he's one of the few regular season MVPs in the past decade to validate his award

Nash never made the finals with his 2 MVPs. Dirk lost in the first round after his MVP. LeBron failed to reach the finals for 2 of his MVPs.

I could make the argument that 08 Kobe is probably one of the valid MVPs of the last decade along with Shaq in 00 and Duncan in 03.

 

[Swagnificent]

You could make a stronger arument that Kobe didn't deserve the 1 mvp that he has won. Lebron was more valuable that year, so was Chris Paul.

Why do people keep saying this? Do you not realize its a contradiction in terms. If you think Kobe didn't deserve it the year his team was #1 in the West because dudes with less wins played better, then shouldn't you by that same logic say Nash didn't deserve his award and instead Kobe shoulda got it?

You haters keep contradicting yourselves. When Kobe's team doesn't have the best record but he dominates individually more than the guy on the best team, he doesn't deserve the award. Yet, when Kobe's got the best record but someone else with less wins dominates more individually, the guy with less wins deserves it.

I think you guys are just twisting yourselves in pretzels to take credit from Kobe at any turn.

 

[Swagnificent]

Based on the performance in the respective years? Hmmm I dunno.

Not sure about Kobe in 06. And honestly, given what Nash did for Pheonix in his first year...somebody may think to bid high for him thinking he'd be a great foundation for a team as opposed to Kobe who is a one man show. Kobe doesnt deserve any of Bron's MVPs

no one would take Nash over Kobe in 06 if there was a one year fantasy draft

running a gimmick offense that gets exposed the playoffs each year ain't gonna impress no executives

also 09 Cavs had one more win than the Lakers, however, the east was horrible which allowed them to pile on more wins.......Kobe was still the best in the world in 09

first year Bron surpassed him was 2010 and that was largely cause Kobe was injured the entire season

this is Kobe's most healthly season since 09 as evidenced by him putting up 28/6/5 this year

 

[Malik]

The year before nash arrived the suns won 29 games and won 62 his 1st season there then the next season lost joe johnson and amare and won 54 games and you're comparing a pistons team who went to the finals and won the title in 04 and went to the ecf in 03

Nash went from being a 7-8 ast/game type guy in Dallas to putting up 11-13 ast/game in PHX. shyt doesn't add up. His core was stronger in Dallas. Dirk, Finley, Jamison, A. Walker > Marion, Amare, Barbosa, Diaw. I feel its not so much that Nash turned around a bad team in PHX as it is that, that offense was made for him to thrive in. The fact his numbers in Dallas/LA are shyt in comparison is proof.