Eastern Europe is headed toward a demographic crisis

Thurgood Thurston III

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The kirk to the fields
-People fleeing because of poor economies/war
-Their suicide rates are astronomical
-Their murder rates are also nothing to scoff at
-Alcohol & drug-related deaths are rampant
-Internet porn/porn addiction is ubiquitous worldwide, people are becoming oversexed while not actually having any sex

One of these is not like the others :jbhmm:
 

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Population decline globally is a good thing. Theres too many people and not enough resources to go around. Its unsustainable. Explosive population growth over the last century is the main driver of the damage that has been and continues to be done to the environment
Nah mate that is mostly due to the astronomical overconsumption of the west for example annually America alone wastes more in resources than the entirety of Africa imports in the same time frame, I think it's was like 3 times.

I.e. there is enough resources it's just like everything else it's either being hoardered or wasted by the few,
 

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Why would you post this in TLR? Anyways this confirms that the economic growth alot of western countries have been claiming is a factor of cheap immigrants breaking their backs for us. Overpopulation of a certain geographic region is the main driving factor on why you play the long game in stocks and real estate.
 

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Population decline globally is a good thing. Theres too many people and not enough resources to go around. Its unsustainable. Explosive population growth over the last century is the main driver of the damage that has been and continues to be done to the environment
There is more than enough ressources. It is just not shared adequately.
 

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There is more than enough ressources. It is just not shared adequately.

Even so, it WILL be a problem long after the white population declines permanently. Look at the rainforests in Brazil that contain 20% of the world's oxygen....its being chopped down and burnt because of a right wing fascist government along with a rapidly growing population. Animal species like bugs, birds, and fish are rapidly disappearing from the ecosystem altogether. Even after white people no longer become a factor in ruling humanity, non-white people gotta learn to protect the environment, even if it means to control population growth from killing Earth itself.
 

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Even so, it WILL be a problem long after the white population declines permanently. Look at the rainforests in Brazil that contain 20% of the world's oxygen....its being chopped down and burnt because of a right wing fascist government along with a rapidly growing population. Animal species like bugs, birds, and fish are rapidly disappearing from the ecosystem altogether. Even after white people no longer become a factor in ruling humanity, non-white people gotta learn to protect the environment, even if it means to control population growth from killing Earth itself.
Similarly to your rainforest example, it appears after inspection that the driving force behind environmental destruction is profit and capitalism, not population growth.
 
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Profit AND a growing population.
The Amazon forest is not burning today because there is too much people in Brazil. It's burning because it makes a lot of money. Bolsonaro thinks that not exploiting this space hinders Brazil's economy. Cattle ranching, soy bean production, massive infrastructure projects such as hydroelectric dams, waterways and roads to deliver products... Those are the ambitions and motives explaining the fires of today. Not population growth.

Like I said, in the same vein as this example, I believe that environmental destruction is the result of economic interests and expensive wasteful lifestyles.

I also noticed that the narrative implying that population growth is a driving factor of the situation, and that some control must be achieved, is often the product of an argumentation that does not confront the main consequential issue (not saying that's your case). I feel like it's either a refusal to even consider giving up on the Western way of life, or believing it to be inevitable. The problem with this rhetoric, is that it ignores the fact that even if we somehow stopped population from growing altogether today, the fires burning our planet today still won't be put out because the same capitalistic interests will still justify them.

Again, I'm not saying that's what you're saying or implying, I'm just talking about the population growth argument in general.

Population growth is merely an accelerating factor. Unfortunately, it's often used as a scapegoat so as to not address the real problem. And that's not even addressing the racist element of the discourse, that you hinted at in your first response.
 
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