Educate me...what has changed in the NBA that scoring is so high?

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Don’t tell that to @Gil Scott-Heroin he thinks Steve Kerr invented off ball screens and backdoor cuts

Because you are of them opinion that Kerr is one of, if not the, best coach in the NBA. Which couldn’t be further from the truth.

Ty Lue has been named the best coach in the league by multiple people IN the league. Adjustments, getting the most out of his roster, controlling egos, XOs, there’s no one currently doing it better.

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

You’re bringing up this post like he still hasn’t out coached Kerr You’re grasping for straws still slobbing over an out of bounds only a casual would think was something out of this world. You don’t watch basketball, you’re a fan boy for one NBA team. It’s a big difference. Only so long fake thugs can pretend

 

[CrimsonTider]

NBA teams weren't running those plays in the 90s; big men rarely ever had any activity on the perimeter on offense.

I'm not entirely sure what the hell college ball has to do with anything.

NBA teams weren't running those plays in the 90s; big men rarely ever had any activity on the perimeter on offense.

I'm not entirely sure what the hell college ball has to do with anything.

Nba teams don’t run those plays now. The warriors do.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The only guy in this draft that's a franchise changer is Dennis Smith.

The fact that you would rather have Kawhi Leonard, a proven number 2 guy AT BEST, shows that you will never give Melo a fair shake. Put Melo, PG, even Khris Middleton on SA and they win at least 3 titles. Melo has never had the tools to make a deep run to the finals.

Jaylen Brown will be lucky if he reaches Jae Crowder's ceiling

People still thinking Haliburton is an All-Star caliber player he’s a shorter version of Kevin Martin

They told me I was crazy when I said MPJ the best player on the team.

Wiseman is the best prospect in this draft period. He’s been NBA ready for 2 years

 

[Osmosis]

Supreme athletes the likes of which we’ve never seen. That’s why insert career bench player can randomly go off for 30-40, because he’s a supremely skilled athlete who would dominate in the 80s and 90s. Has nothing to do with the complete neutering of defense by the league and the absolute refusal to play any semblance of defense by 90% of players. It’s a time where letting your man blow by you into the lane for the easy layup is preferred because the logic is it gives you more time to get the ball back and go to the other end for a three pointer, rather than trying to make a stop.




Damn I typed all that shyt when I could have just quoted this.

Listen to the timestamped portion. The claim that these professional athletes don't care about 50% of the game is just silly.. A lot of these players are only on the floor because of the value they could provide defensively.

 

[SchoolboyC]

Nba teams don’t run those plays now. The warriors do.

It’s interesting that the narrative so many of y’all run with is that there’s less plays being ran and less ball movement today because when you look at the numbers teams average way more assists today than they did in the 2000s, even when you adjust for pace.

 

[CrimsonTider]

It’s interesting that the narrative so many of y’all run with is that there’s less plays being ran and less ball movement today because when you look at the numbers teams average way more assists today than they did in the 2000s, even when you adjust for pace.

Assist don’t mean ball movement

And there’s more wait because every team is hunting the mismatch on the pnr and drive and kick when the guard goes by the big man

 

[SchoolboyC]

On another note I think something else that has contributed to scoring being up that I feel like hasn’t been talked about much is transition opportunities.

Teams force more turnovers today and Pop talked about transition defense being so much harder due to having to account for the players 3-pt shooting. But another thing is the take foul was taken away and a lot of teams used to rely on that to stop fastbreaks. But now you do that and it’s an automatic technical which is a rule the NBA adopted from FIBA.

Assist don’t mean ball movement

And there’s more wait because every team is hunting the mismatch on the pnr and drive and kick when the guard goes by the big man

They don’t but it’s a good indicator of it. Teams that iso more tend to have less assist opportunities

 

[mbewane]

I mean when the official NBA twitter posting stuff like this, and you say player movement hasn't changed, then I don't know what to tell you.

Ah yes, double-dribbling is "smooth"

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

did like the NFL and neutered defense

 

[BillBanneker]

One big thing is that the skill set of big men have finally adapted to the modern nba play style, which puts way more pressure on defenses today.

 

[Mindfield333]

Russ talks a lot of shyt about opposing players.

And it’s not about shutting anyone down. Players back then didn’t shut anyone down either. That running you shytting in Tucker over is something guys like Oakley didn’t do because they couldnt move and didn’t need to move because the game was only played on one part of the court.

The only folks who could get shutdown were post players with like no handles in the 90s and earlier. And that was probably moreso ball denial

 

[mayhem]

yeah but scoring is down in the NFL this year. hard to explain why but it did happen. gives me hope the NBA can evolve in that direction too but lots of factors working against it in the short term. specially if the league expands again

did like the NFL and neutered defense

 

[IIVI]

yeah but scoring is down in the NFL this year. hard to explain why but it did happen. gives me hope the NBA can evolve in that direction too but lots of factors working against it in the short term. specially if the league expands again

Yeah NFL is crazy. Like I said before, you can have the best defense winning one year then the best offense winning the next.

While the NFL definitely did cater more to offense, they did it in a way where defense is still a major, game-winning/game-defining factor.

• They going to let the CB get physical. They're going to let there be PI sometimes.
• They're going to penalize the offense with holding calls, chop-blocking, illegal formations, etc.
  • We see more offensive holding calls than defensive holding calls throughout the course of a game.
  • Last few years alone we've seen so many touchdowns and big plays called back because of holding and offensive penalties.

So while the defense probably feels like they can't be as aggressive as they like, the rules and the optimal style of offensive football hasn't taken them out of it. They aggressive hitting rules go both ways as well as a blocker ain't allowed to take aim on a defender trying to make a play.

Another thing to consider: a big strategy to many teams is slowing the play down and clock management. Even when on offense teams try to hold the ball as much as possible to keep a high-powered offense off the field and give their defense rest. Clock management is big: you want to keep the game close and have the ball last many times for a game-winning drive.

You hear it so many times "They're going to rely on their defense here."

That leads to defense still being a main identity to these NFL teams and an anticipation to matchups:

"I wonder how the __'s offense will do vs the __'s defense."

Goes back to a very primal, root-level fundamental principle: offense vs defense.

 

[bigde09]

yeah but scoring is down in the NFL this year. hard to explain why but it did happen. gives me hope the NBA can evolve in that direction too but lots of factors working against it in the short term. specially if the league expands again

Running game is super important again