Educate me...what has changed in the NBA that scoring is so high?

[SchoolboyC]

Yeah NFL is crazy. Like I said before, you can have the best defense winning one year then the best offense winning the next.

While the NFL definitely did cater more to offense, they did it in a way where defense is still a major, game-winning/game-defining factor.

They going to let the CB get physical. They're going to let there be PI sometimes.
They're going to penalize with holding calls, chop-blocking, illegal formations, etc. by the offense.
You'll probably see more offensive holding calls than defensive holding calls.

Last few years alone we've seen so many touchdowns and big plays called back because of holding and offensive penalties.

That leads to defense still being a main identity to these NFL teams and an anticipation to matchups:

"I wonder how the __'s offense will do vs the __'s defense."

Goes back to a very primal, root-level fundamental principle: offense vs defense.

The Warriors just won the title last year with the strength of their team being the defense. They had the #17 offense and #1 defense. The Celtics were also a defensive team, as were the Heat that nearly beat them in the ECF.

There’s 8 teams right now on pace to win 50+ games, 7 of those 8 have top 10 defenses with Denver being the only exception.

Yes rules have been changed that have benefited offenses but this idea that defense is no longer impacting games in the NBA just isn’t true.

 

[High quality poster]

Here’s Luka(current leading scorer and beating favorite to win mvp) talking about why it’s easier to score in todays nba

"But I would say that scoring is easier in the NBA just because of the different rules, the amount of space, the time, so that's why I said it's easier to score in the NBA."

He mentions the rules

And here’s Dane agreeing with him

“I can see why. A lot of the best scorers in the NBA, they score from three and they get to the rim and they get fouled. In FIBA, there’s not as many fouls calls. You are going to get away with a lot more, it’s more physical. And there’s also no defensive three-second [violation]. So the paint is usually more crowded. Forcing into the paint is usually playing in a crowd.”

What Dame described was basically 90s and early 2000s basketball.

You are dumb as shyt if you think it’s “skill is at an all time high” is the reason why.

Listen to these professionals not @Gil Scott-Heroin this nikka is weird.

 

[IIVI]

The Warriors just won the title last year with the strength of their team being the defense. They had the #17 offense and #1 defense. The Celtics were also a defensive team, as were the Heat that nearly beat them in the ECF.

There’s 8 teams right now on pace to win 50+ games, 7 of those 8 have top 10 defenses with Denver being the only exception.

Yes rules have been changed that have benefited offenses but this idea that defense is no longer impacting games in the NBA just isn’t true.

It goes back to the style of both games as well, Warriors got a great defense and the best defender in the league, but their identity ain't a defensive team.

I wouldn't say any team in the league right now has a purely defensive identity tbh.

When I hear defense I think maybe the Celtics and Bucks, but they're still a part of some very high-scoring games. In fact, they had a total of 40 points through 5:00 into their game a couple weeks ago when both teams practically looked like they were playing at the Y and hoisting threes.

Compared to the Broncos a few years ago their defense held teams under 20 points 11 games of the season and only allowed 30 points once, this was when offense was a premium. Rams only allowed 30 points 3 games last season. This year the top 5 NFL defenses only allowed 30 points 8 times out of 85 total games.

 

[IIVI]

Running game is super important again

Yup. Clock control.

Slowing the game down once again to keep high-powered offenses at bay. Plus some of these runners are insane and can break a big play.

This is on top of scrambling QB's with cannon arms opening things up and defenses shutting shyt down.

Again, 5/5 of the top draft 5 picks were defenders last season. Defense is as wanted as offense.

Sauce Gardner being one of them is one of the NFL's biggest stories this season.

The top 5 defenses currently in the playoffs only allowed a team to score 30 points on them 7 times total the whole season, less than 10%.

We know a three-point shooting team will win the championship in the NBA. Anybody want to bet otherwise?

NFL is a very unpredictable league right now, which style of play/identity is going to win? That's harder to answer.

 

[SchoolboyC]

It goes back to the style of both games as well, Warriors got a great defense and the best defender in the league, but their identity ain't a defensive team.

I wouldn't say any team in the league right now has a purely defensive identity tbh.

When I hear defense I think maybe the Celtics and Bucks, but they're still a part of some very high-scoring games. In fact, they had a total of 40 points through 5:00 into their game a couple weeks ago when both teams practically looked like they were playing at the Y and hoisting threes.

What does purely defensive identity mean though in your eyes, because that seems pretty subjective? A team like the Conley/Z-Bo/Gasol Grizzlies that has a struggle offense but gets by on the strength of their defense? Is this based on actual production or narratives/marketing?

Warriors at their peak had high powered offenses that overwhelmed teams to go along with elite defenses but their offense hasn’t been at that level since KD left.

The Bucks this season have been terrible as a team offensively, their defense is why they still have a top record.

Celtics last season were 100% a defensive minded team. Every single game I knew regardless of how they performed on offense, the defense would give them a chance to win. This season they’ve regressed to just being decent and are carried by the offense

 

[IIVI]

What does purely defensive identity mean though in your eyes, because that seems pretty subjective? A team like the Conley/Z-Bo/Gasol Grizzlies that has a struggle offense but gets by on the strength of their defense? Is this based on actual production or narratives/marketing?

Warriors at their peak had high powered offenses that overwhelmed teams to go along with elite defenses but their offense hasn’t been at that level since KD left.

The Bucks this season have been terrible as a team offensively, their defense is why they still have a top record.

Celtics last season were 100% a defensive minded team. Every single game I knew regardless of how they performed on offense, the defense would give them a chance to win. This season they’ve regressed to just being decent and are carried by the offense

I guess I look at most top defenses around the league in the NBA and they still allow over 120 points ~20% of the time whereas the top defenses in the NFL allow over 30 points ~10% of the time.

Maybe those numbers are arbitrary, but to most people I think high-scoring are when NFL teams break 30 and NBA teams break 120.

Again, arbitrary measuring stick and again it's the nature of the games but it really does seem like going off on numbers defense is twice as impactful for elite teams in the NFL.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Here’s Luka(current leading scorer and beating favorite to win mvp) talking about why it’s easier to score in todays nba

"But I would say that scoring is easier in the NBA just because of the different rules, the amount of space, the time, so that's why I said it's easier to score in the NBA."

He mentions the rules

And here’s Dane agreeing with him

“I can see why. A lot of the best scorers in the NBA, they score from three and they get to the rim and they get fouled. In FIBA, there’s not as many fouls calls. You are going to get away with a lot more, it’s more physical. And there’s also no defensive three-second [violation]. So the paint is usually more crowded. Forcing into the paint is usually playing in a crowd.”

What Dame described was basically 90s and early 2000s basketball.

You are dumb as shyt if you think it’s “skill is at an all time high” is the reason why.

Listen to these professionals not @Gil Scott-Heroin this nikka is weird.

Imagine being a troll on this board for nearly a decade and only just now switching your shyt up and wanting to be taken seriously.

This shyt really has you in your feelings that you're breaking character after this long.

 

[Ukbrotha]

I guess it's just old man yelling at the cloud.

 

[High quality poster]

Imagine being a troll on this board for nearly a decade and only just now switching your shyt up and wanting to be taken seriously.

This shyt really has you in your feelings that you're breaking character after this long.

Imagine knowing how long I’ve been posting here. You been on my dikk that long?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Imagine knowing how long I’ve been posting here. You been on my dikk that long?

It's literally got your joined date (Aug 2014) right under your screenname.

You really are the special ed kid.

 

[Apprentice]

I mean when the official NBA twitter posting stuff like this, and you say player movement hasn't changed, then I don't know what to tell you.

Lmao dudes so full of shyt when it come to this topic

 

[High quality poster]

It's literally got your joined date (Aug 2014) right under your screenname.

You really are the special ed kid.

I see you saw that special ed comment… shyt got you in ya feelings.

Gil Scott the retard

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I see you saw that special ed comment… shyt got you in ya feelings.

Gil Scott the retard

@Retard quality poster can't even see his joined date right under his screenname.

bu-bu-but how do you know when I joined this site?

You might need to get your caretaker to help you out with these things.

 

[Noriega]

NBA teams weren't running those plays in the 90s; big men rarely ever had any activity on the perimeter on offense.

I'm not entirely sure what the hell college ball has to do with anything.

Because you’re amazed by a play call I’ve seen dozens of times on the college level

Steve Kerr does it and he’s a X & Os messiah

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Because you’re amazed by a play call I’ve seen dozens of times on the college level

Steve Kerr does it and he’s a X & Os messiah

I'm not "amazed" by it.

I'm simply stating that type of play with that amount of actions (with bigs being at the center of it) didn't happen in the 90s NBA.