nightpupil
ElderzInMegaHallz
my personal opinion.. I grew up hearing MMLP first I like it more..
Eminem is extremely dope no matter what
- Thread starter thewiseman
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Simple: Very talented MC that lacks musicality.
It's why you would see a rapper or a group pair up with a producer and kind of stick with them for their projects. The people that handled that side of things for Em aren't in the picture and it shows in his lack of musical direction.
He'd be better off just rapping over his own beats than get a beat or two from people like Alex Da Kid. He's going to be able to rap his ass off til he dies, but he's not a musician. If I'm at working at Interscope I'm trying to pair him with Kendrick and let him EP and handle the soundscape.
It's why you would see a rapper or a group pair up with a producer and kind of stick with them for their projects. The people that handled that side of things for Em aren't in the picture and it shows in his lack of musical direction.
He'd be better off just rapping over his own beats than get a beat or two from people like Alex Da Kid. He's going to be able to rap his ass off til he dies, but he's not a musician. If I'm at working at Interscope I'm trying to pair him with Kendrick and let him EP and handle the soundscape.
thewiseman
op
TBH I Think Eminem should just produce his shyt. He produced a lot of good stuff during the 2000-2002 era. If he took note from other great producers from this decade, then I'd reckon he can make some killer beats.
The best song on his new album is on his beat.
I'd rather hear an album of him over his own tracks than a bunch of mix and match shyt.
thewiseman
op
Are you talking about the song Believe?
It get's hate because the middle of the album is crammed with lacksidaisical shyt that replaced the leaks.
It's an interesting album (to me) in hindsight, givin the circumstances with the label and the cover art. But it was received like it was for a reason.
Yeah that's one of the few joints I like, shoulda been a video for that either first or directly after walk on water.
AlainLocke
Banned
MMLP was not about him dissing popstars...
I think people who say Eminem don't have a classic album or he was just a gimmick don't get the climate Eminem came up in...
It was after Pac and Biggie died, people were viewing rap as this violent destructive medium...
Marylin Manson came out and had scared the shyt out of White people all over America
GTA 3 came out...which was higly controversial
And Columbine happened...
Eminem on MMLP and the Eminem Show was a response to his success off of SSLP and was response to White America about his content...
MMLP only got one song on it that is even similar to the cartoony, zanny content of SSLP and that's the Real Slim Shady and I Am Back
Then there was The Way I Am, Who Knew, Stan, Marshall Mathers and Criminal that were exact responses to his critics and detractor...
If you go back and listen to MMLP and even look at news debates around that and the coverage of things like school shootings, video games....MMLP was a very personal and political album...and was the foundation of the Eminem Show...which was even less like SSLP
Eminem's prime run was mostly about responses to his critics of SSLP, Hip Hop, race, violence and provocative speech
You are so right. Didn't think about it like that. I totally agree
nightpupil
ElderzInMegaHallz
Some hate on him now but back then no one really did. You got to also understand he's a underground guy, I believe some music is made to be commercial, if he rapped like in renegade, game over, or even like that wide awake song was dope. But people wanna hear bars with different subject matter. Not that he has not done that. But I don't think they wanna hear him spit what he did in some songs in SSLP
Detroit_blue
Pro
It's been a decade of trash
A fuccin decade
A fuccin decade
nightpupil
ElderzInMegaHallz
Be quit you probably Just someone who finds any reason on the internet to just hate.. just cus it's not a classic don't mean it's wack..
AlainLocke
Banned
I think because Eminem is White a lot of Black folks don't fukk with him...but if you actually listen to his content through MMLP to Eminem Show...Eminem's argument is this...
1. I am White White Trash Rapper
2. Only reason why I am so successful is because I am White.
3. The only reason why I am such a problem is because I am White
4. White America don't like me because I am White Trash
5. But they made me this way and thru Black music I express my discontent...
I have, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I think his 'skill level' is vastly overrated and one of the contributors to why hip hop is in the trashcan today.
Mic presence is a rapper's most important skill. and Em's mic presence is questionable. When Em is on point, he's got a B-level mic presence. Meaning that he's good, a little better than average. But that's where it ends. His mic presence is not Nas, Jay-Z, Rakim, Biggie, Slick Rick, Snoop, Method Man by a long shot. shyt... Em's mic presence isn't even better than Young Zee's.
So vocally, Em is questionable. and then his flow became questionable. That 'lyrical' stuff is cac nonsense. We care if you can ride a beat with charm, and Em has demonstrated repeatedly that he can't. And he obviously stays away from hard, funky beats because they quickly expose his lack of rhythm and presence. Dre (of all people) killed him on this.
and that beat aint even that hard. Imagine giving him "Made You Look", hard Premo shyt like "Come Clean", some super hard weirdo shyt like "Stroke of Death" or "Ice Water", or some hard Southern shyt like "Sittin Sidewayz". Em would look stupid.
Ironically, this is the best I've ever heard of Em on a hard beat. And he doesn't even rap on it
