Eminem is the prototype for cosign-dependent rappers

[BK The Great]

the only thing i don't like about Em is his subject matter, that shyt is not cool but he is lyrically talented. he also is partly the reason 50 Cent blew up, with the help of Dr. Dre.

 

[T.he I.nformant]

Posters who are dependent on name-calling as a way to discredit others while propping up their fringe opinion

@SirBiatch gunning for that #1 spot

 

[SirBiatch]

Posters who are dependent on name-calling as a way to discredit others while propping up their fringe opinion

retarded reach

 

[DonKnock]

Only reason Drake got on was cause Wayne got coerced to cosign him


Proves he's garbage by OP's logic

Might neg him for fraudulence


He also not welcome in Houston

 

[Piff Perkins]

Facts. If Em wouldn't have gotten them co signs he woulda been another horrorcore bum. nikka prolly woulda signed with Insane Clown Posse or Tech Nine

Let's not be delusional. Once Em signed with Dre his run was inevitable.

Cosigns have played a major role in rap for decades. Especially in the 90s where dudes were getting signed off demos that no one but A&Rs or local cats heard. Nas had Large Pro and Serch telling people he was Rakim reborn. Snoop had Dre. Big L was just a dude who rapped before Lord Finesse started helping him. Not all of those dudes were unknown obviously but the point is that they didn't make it on their own. They benefited from major figures cosigning them or bringing them to labels.

There's not an entertainment medium that doesn't feature cosigns or "good words/reviews" to help artists reach audiences. If you're writing a horror book you want Stephen King to do a blurb on the front/back giving you dap. In the 90s Robert Jordan did the same for fantasy, now it's GRRM. If you're an indie filmmaker you want a cosign from Wes Andersen or someone.

At the end of the day if your shyt is trash you're not going to thrive off cosigns alone. Ask Memphis Bleek, Drag-On, Nature, Mr Hudson, and a variety of other pop/rap/r&b acts. The entire point of all this is to give people an opportunity to leap off a platform. Some are gonna fly, some are gonna do decent, some are gonna fail. If you have a problem with the system that's fine. But I'm tired of people acting like this only applies to a small handful of rappers you dislike (Em, Chance, Kendrick, Tink, etc). It's lazy.

 

[Victorious Secret]

This place gets worse every fukking day.

 

[Cuckkleberry Finn]

i agree with the thread premise. the corny nicknames for rappers makes me cringe but i can't deny the points being made

 

[SirBiatch]

Let's not be delusional. Once Em signed with Dre his run was inevitable.

Cosigns have played a major role in rap for decades. Especially in the 90s where dudes were getting signed off demos that no one but A&Rs or local cats heard. Nas had Large Pro and Serch telling people he was Rakim reborn. Snoop had Dre. Big L was just a dude who rapped before Lord Finesse started helping him. Not all of those dudes were unknown obviously but the point is that they didn't make it on their own. They benefited from major figures cosigning them or bringing them to labels.

STOP IT.

You have a habit of attempting false equivalencies and the shyt is annoying.

Eminem being cosigned by Dre, who was already one of the most mainstream figures in hip hop at that time is NOT the same thing as Nas being cosigned by Large Pro/Serch, who no one knew in comparison. Same for Big L.

Your forced examples

At the end of the day if your shyt is trash you're not going to thrive off cosigns alone.

Obviously. And no one has pretended otherwise.

The question is: trash to who? Kendrick is trash to me as a hip hop head, but Kendrick doesn't make music for hip hop heads. Some of his base are hip hop heads but a lot of them are not. These casuals/non-hip hop fans don't think his music is trash because obviously they wouldn't cop it.

Stop downplaying cosigns. They do A TON, and they've never been more important.

 

[Piff Perkins]

STOP IT.

You have a habit of attempting false equivalencies and the shyt is annoying.

Eminem being cosigned by Dre, who was already one of the most mainstream figures in hip hop at that time is NOT the same thing as Nas being cosigned by Large Pro/Serch, who no one knew in comparison. Same for Big L.

Your forced examples



Obviously. And no one has pretended otherwise.

The question is: trash to who? Kendrick is trash to me as a hip hop head, but Kendrick doesn't make music for hip hop heads. Some of his base are hip hop heads but a lot of them are not. These casuals/non-hip hop fans don't think his music is trash because obviously they wouldn't cop it.

Stop downplaying cosigns. They do A TON, and they've never been more important.

How am I downplaying cosigns when I just said most rappers receive them and they have give you a platform?

And here you go exposing your general lack of hip hop knowledge again. Large Pro was revered in the 90s by hip hop heads and producers. Premo and a variety of others were brought into the Illmatic project specifically due to his involvement - not just because Nas was dope.

Dre is the biggest name for mainstream dap/cosigns. But let's not act like you have to be on that level to give a cosign. Dre has cosigned a LOT of artists yet Snoop, Em, and 50 are probably the biggest right. They're also very talented. Rakim had most of the GRODT beats and couldn't do shyt with them. They go to 50 and the rest is history. Dre putting you in position to win does not guarantee a win if you're not capable of winning. Rakim is obviously the god MC but he didn't have the hooks to get a release date. In a few months we'll have this convo about Jon Connor BTW, who is dope but will FLOP despite Dre cosigns/help.

Name some major 90s rappers that didn't receive some type of cosign? Whether from The Source or a rapper or producer. Maybe DMX...but he had The Source early and did a variety of big guest spots in 1997 before releasing his album a year later. The 90s were all about A&Rs and industry people getting dudes into the damn door lmao.

Eminem is popular because he was a dope white rapper, had Dre, and was smart. Asher Roth in the same position wouldn't have been as successful for instance.

You don't like Kendrick, fine. But the constant "Kendrick is only here because xyz" shyt is lame and always founded on nothing but your opinion. The cosign matters but Kendrick had a fanbase before Dre made his involvement public. Just like Cole had a fanbase before the Roc/Hov news arrived. Just like Drake had a fanbase before Wayne made it public. The cosigns help propel the artist BUT if you don't have dope shyt you aren't going anywhere. All three artists have made good to great music at some point.

 

[SirBiatch]

How am I downplaying cosigns when I just said most rappers receive them and they have give you a platform?

And here you go exposing your general lack of hip hop knowledge again. Large Pro was revered in the 90s by hip hop heads and producers. Premo and a variety of others were brought into the Illmatic project specifically due to his involvement - not just because Nas was dope.

Dre is the biggest name for mainstream dap/cosigns. But let's not act like you have to be on that level to give a cosign. Dre has cosigned a LOT of artists yet Snoop, Em, and 50 are probably the biggest right. They're also very talented. Rakim had most of the GRODT beats and couldn't do shyt with them. They go to 50 and the rest is history. Dre putting you in position to win does not guarantee a win if you're not capable of winning. Rakim is obviously the god MC but he didn't have the hooks to get a release date. In a few months we'll have this convo about Jon Connor BTW, who is dope but will FLOP despite Dre cosigns/help.

Name some major 90s rappers that didn't receive some type of cosign? Whether from The Source or a rapper or producer. Maybe DMX...but he had The Source early and did a variety of big guest spots in 1997 before releasing his album a year later. The 90s were all about A&Rs and industry people getting dudes into the damn door lmao.

Eminem is popular because he was a dope white rapper, had Dre, and was smart. Asher Roth in the same position wouldn't have been as successful for instance.

You don't like Kendrick, fine. But the constant "Kendrick is only here because xyz" shyt is lame and always founded on nothing but your opinion. The cosign matters but Kendrick had a fanbase before Dre made his involvement public. Just like Cole had a fanbase before the Roc/Hov news arrived. Just like Drake had a fanbase before Wayne made it public. The cosigns help propel the artist BUT if you don't have dope shyt you aren't going anywhere. All three artists have made good to great music at some point.

stop lying and rushing to "oh you just exposing your lack of knowledge" That's the new "i'm angry" approach.

And considering you're nowhere to be found in that Clyde Stubblefield thread, I'm just gonna assume you're a fraud

The rest of your post is the usual forced ramble and my previous post addressed all that.

Some closing thoughts: Why do you think there's such an uproar over Chance? Because he's gotten massive cosigns and hip hop fans think his music is trash. Sure, he obviously has people who don't think his music is trash because otherwise, how the fukk would he be on... But the point is that within the hip hop demographic, most don't care for Chance like that. They would consider his music trash yet he is still on. And without those cosigns, he would NOT be on. Which is why I said "trash to who?"

Continue to play dumb though. and follow me around.

Hope that helps

 

[Piff Perkins]

stop lying and rushing to "oh you just exposing your lack of knowledge" That's the new "i'm angry" approach.

And considering you're nowhere to be found in that Clyde Stubblefield thread, I'm just gonna assume you're a fraud

The rest of your post is the usual forced ramble and my previous post addressed all that.

Some closing thoughts: Why do you think there's such an uproar over Chance? Because he's gotten massive cosigns and hip hop fans think his music is trash. Sure, he obviously has people who don't think his music is trash because otherwise, how the fukk would he be on... But the point is that within the hip hop demographic, most don't care for Chance like that. They would consider his music trash yet he is still on. And without those cosigns, he would NOT be on. Which is why I said "trash to who?"

Continue to play dumb though. and follow me around.

Hope that helps

But...Chance has plenty of rap fans. He's gone semi mainstream and has a lot of white fans but tbh I'd say he has more "rap fans" than say...G Eazy does. That song with Wayne and 2Chainz has gotten quite a bit of spin on rap stations, he had a big verse on one of the biggest rap albums of 2016 (Pablo, which I still think is meh), etc.

Another case of you talking with no understanding of the genre. But hey, you tried! I'm impressed you didn't bring up Rocky. Who got a Drake cosign (as did Kendrick and others at that time, to be fair).


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