Enough is enough. Russell Westbrook is bad for the NBA.

[GoddamnyamanProf]

It's absolutely hilarious you post shyt like this when you were of the belief KD should leave OKC to play with a 'real PG' not that long ago.

I never said KD should leave OKC, I said Russ shouldnt consistently be taking a lot more shots than KD. Ironically he's become a better passer since then but since his captain turned bytch and left, now he needs to take all those extra shots just to compete. Of course all of this has no bearing on the fact that your opinion on the two of them has flip flopped, tethered entirely to your ubiquitous Warriors dikkriding.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

You swear like bosh and love ain't sacrifice they numbers to help Lebron stat pad


It's always about agendas on this board

LeBron's per game numbers were lower across the board except rebounds in Miami you moron

 

[KOBE]

You don't get 10-11 rebounds SIXTEEN times and only get 9 rebounds once unless you trying hard to make sure you get that 10th. It's not statistically possible.

No it is statistically possible when you dominate the ball as much as him and get the type of boards he does. Again they are the best rebounding team in the league, he does hunt boards, but getting stuck on the #9 of a stat isn't something major. Again most players aren't averaging 12+ boards or assists so to say Westbrook needs to average that amount in order for it to not be stat padding is both stupid and ridiculous.

Look at Harden and Lebron. They get stuck on 9 boards or 9 assists and barely miss a triple-double ALL THE TIME. Westbrook almost never does. The last time it happened, it was against the Suns, and you know what Russ was doing? Passing to his teammates for the final 6 shots. How the hell is THAT suddenly the game where Westbrook doesn't need to take every single shot down the stretch, when he just happened to be 1 assist away from a triple-double?

Ya lets look at Lebron and Harden, two guys that the entire gameplan centered around their play PLUS shooters. Not just one or two good shooters, but about five shooters that are BETTER than ANY shooter on the thunder. Korver/Love/Kyrie/Smith/Frye and Anderson/Gordon/Beverley/Ariza/Lou Williams. Lets compare that instead and then get back to me about meaningless shyt like getting stuck on 9 boards or assists. Maybe if he had guys that could actually shoot he would be averaging well over 10 assists a game because he could count on players to actually hit their shots.

If they can't shoot, then how the hell is he racking up 10 assists in the first half sometimes?

By creating openings early in the game, getting turnovers and fastbreak assists, and Adams actually doing shyt offensively.

And how come he can rack up 10 assists in the first half and then shoot 18 times with only 1 assist in the second half?

Because players stop hitting their shots,this isn't uncommon for the Thunder who I keep having to remind you have absolutely shyt offensive players that aren't consistent on that end. Because coaches adapt to the thunder's gameplan? I mean halftime adjustments are a thing and zoning in on the one or two thunder teammates of Westbrook that are doing well isn't exactly a difficult thing to do depending on who those players and where they're getting their buckets.

Do you want Westbrook to finish with 20 assists every time he gets 10 assists in the first half? Why is it a player can score 16 points in the first and then 4 points the rest of the game? Why is it that a player can get 5 blocks in one half and then zero the other? Why does any of this actually matter with no context?

Why is it in games where he only gets 4-5 assists in the first half, suddenly THOSE are the games where he gets 6-7 second-half assists?

Why is it that Westbrook has 20 games where he gets 12+ assists and you continue to bring up irrelevant garbage?

He has 25 games where he gets 12+ rebounds.

Why does he come in the middle of the 4th quarter and usually take 10-15 shots without an assist to end the game...unless he's chasing an assist mark, and then all the sudden his guys have open shots?

Why does Westbrook/the thunder have some of the best clutch stats in the league?

No the Thunder do NOT have one of the best transition games in the league. And tell me, which makes the fast break start quicker - the PG getting an outlet pass when he's already running up court the second the rebound is in the air, or the PG running down from the perimeter to secure the rebound, stopping, turning around, and then running the whole distance having to dribble the ball himself?

They don't? Then why do they average the third most fastbreak points in the league?

Have you seen Westbrook's transition game? You gotta watch literally zero basketball to question Westbrook's ability on the fastbreak after getting a rebound

And who in the hell is doing the outlet pass on the Thunder? They don't got a Kevin Love, they got Adams/Sabonis/Kanter/Gibson, these guys ain't perfected the art of throwing up the court to wide open players. More than likely it would just be a handoff to Westbrook if they got the rebound with the same thing happening except the handoff itself is a waste of time.

The Thunder are NOT the best rebounding team in the NBA this year. The Thunder were literally the best rebounding team in HISTORY last year, due to having guys like Adams and Kanter and with Westbrook working for his own boards too, while getting uncontested boards at a more normal rate. This year they're 2nd in rebounding rate, which is still quite good, but they've fall off more than 2 boards/game from where they were last year and are 5th in the NBA in defensive rebounding rate, which is exactly where Westbrook is trying to stat-pad.

Thunder literally average the most rebounds in the league and having the 5th best defensive rebounding percentage is a bad mark? You can't be that much of a fool, right?

Could the reason they're not the best rebounding team in the league anymore have to do with the fact they lost Ibaka/Durant, as in two of the team's best rebounders from last season? NAH, THAT CAN'T BE IT, IT MUST BE WESTBROOK'S FAULT

You realize this why I call y'all morons, right? How fukking shortsighted you gotta be to say their dropoff is because of Westbrook rather than what actually changed in team composition?

Yes, Lebron occasionally takes plays off. That happens when you play more minutes than anyone in the league, are 260lbs, and are expected to be the most important player on your team on both ends of the court. Lebron taking plays off is literally necessary for him to stay on the floor and help the Cavs. You see them get outscored 31-9 by freaking Miami when he was off the floor for just 9 minutes the other night?

The Cavs are still FAR better on defense with Lebron and more often than not he's playing like the best defender on the Cavs.

Westbrook ain't taking a few plays off on defense because he's tired from playing defense hard the rest of the time. He's taking nearly all his plays off on defense, half to chase rebounds and half to conserve energy so he can stat-pad on the other end. It has nothing to do with helping his team win.

Westbrook is OKC's entire offensive. Without Westbrook OKC would be in contention for the #1 overall pick. And Westbrook's motor is praised league wide as he runs harder than pretty much everyone else offensively so ya it makes sense he gets tired defensively, but of course he doesn't get that excuse because bad defensive is inexcusable no matter who you are. He's definitely doing nothing to help his team win, you're damn right about that, all he's doing is putting up empty stats which is why they're still a playoff team after losing a top 3 player.




Sorry I can't show you what they look like when he misses games as he hasn't taken a single game off yet this year.

Because we're not comparing Westbrook to his teammates. We're comparing him to actual MVP candidates. And chasing box score stats don't get you there.

Shall we compare Westbrook teammates to actual MVP candidates then? You wanna go there as I don't think you do.


But aside from that, no one here is comparing Westbrook to anyone including you, you're just trying to shyt on him endlessly.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I never said KD should leave OKC, I said Russ shouldnt consistently be taking a lot more shots than KD

Nah you were of the belief that Durant needs to play with a pass-first PG, not Westbrook. We argued over this shyt for years.

Ironically he's become a better passer since then.

Except, he hasn't. He's still the same player he's more or less always been. He's most certainly the same player now that he was last season. Which is why it's funny you claim he's only turned into a great PG/leader this season, when the only thing that's different is the fact he controls the ball more. That's all. It's just convienent for you to take this position to fuel your anti-Warriors agenda. You can NOT deny this. It's clear as day.

now he needs to take all those extra shots just to compete.

My god, you truly are clueless.

Of course all of this has no bearing on the fact that your opinion on the two of them has flip flopped, tethered entirely to your ubiquitous Warriors dikkriding.

My position on both of them has never flip flopped, not once - I've always been consistent with my praise and criticism when it comes to both of them over the years. These deflection tactics don't work on me. You spent YEARS AND YEARS hating on Westbrook, and propping up Durant, then you flicked the switch the moment KD signed with the Warriors.. All the anti-Westbrook rhetoric that you shyt on now, is the same shyt you were pushing not too long ago.

You can't fool me.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

No it is statistically possible when you dominate the ball as much as him and get the type of boards he does. Again they are the best rebounding team in the league, he does hunt boards, but getting stuck on the #9 of a stat isn't something major. Again most players aren't averaging 12+ boards or assists so to say Westbrook needs to average that amount in order for it to not be stat padding is both stupid and ridiculous.

Okay, if you don't know the fukk what I'm even talking about, then just stand down.

If you average 10 boards a game, then the exact number you end up around there, 9 or 10 or 11, should be a coin flip. You should hit each number about the same.

You don't hit 10/11 boards sixteen freaking times and only hit 9 boards once unless you specifically trying to stat pad to get that 10th board.

Your argument that it's just because he's so great at rebounding don't make no sense, because Russell only ends up with 5-6-7 boards plenty of times. Hell, up to a year ago that's what he was averaging, and even this year he's down there plenty of times. When he's too far away on rebounds to get his triple-double, there's nothing he can do. It's only 9 boards he doesn't get stuck on - because he sees the trip-doub within reach and does everything he can to get it.


Did you see that game last year when Westbrook tried to get is 10th rebound, couldn't secure it, and then ran to the scorer's table yelling "TIP! TIP!" to try to get the scorer to give him a tipped-shot credit so he could have his triple-double?




Literally begging the scorekeeper to give him an irrelevant missed shot so he could get his triple-double statistic.

Ya lets look at Lebron and Harden, two guys that the entire gameplan centered around their play PLUS shooters. Not just one or two good shooters, but about five shooters that are BETTER than ANY shooter on the thunder. Korver/Love/Kyrie/Smith/Frye and Anderson/Gordon/Beverley/Ariza/Lou Williams. Lets compare that instead and then get back to me about meaningless shyt like getting stuck on 9 boards or assists. Maybe if he had guys that could actually shoot he would be averaging well over 10 assists a game because he could count on players to actually hit their shots.

WTF are you trying to argue?

How does having good shooters make you more likely to stop at just 9 assists?

And last year he had fukking Durant and Ibaka and didn't average any more assists than this.

By creating openings early in the game, getting turnovers and fastbreak assists, and Adams actually doing shyt offensively.

So why does that stuff only happen in the 1st half, and then suddenly stop early in the 3rd quarter when Russ picks up his 10th assist?

Unless, of course, Russ only managed 5-6 assists in the 1st half, and then it magically happens in the 2nd half too.

And how come it always happens when Russ has 8-9 assists late in the 4th quarter, but more rarely when he already has 10 or only has 5?

Because players stop hitting their shots,this isn't uncommon for the Thunder who I keep having to remind you have absolutely shyt offensive players that aren't consistent on that end. Because coaches adapt to the thunder's gameplan? I mean halftime adjustments are a thing and zoning in on the one or two thunder teammates of Westbrook that are doing well isn't exactly a difficult thing to do depending on who those players and where they're getting their buckets.

They can't "stop hitting shots" that they aren't even taking.

Do you know how many times Russ has took 10-15 shots after he came in with 8 minutes to go in the game? Even though he'd already had 10-11 assists for the game in the first three quarters?

How da fukk can his teammates stop hitting shots when the ball never even touches their hands? How does Westbrook magically know they ain't going to hit shots in the 4th quarter when he was racking up assists just fine in the first three?

Do you want Westbrook to finish with 20 assists every time he gets 10 assists in the first half? Why is it a player can score 16 points in the first and then 4 points the rest of the game? Why is it that a player can get 5 blocks in one half and then zero the other? Why does any of this actually matter with no context?

No, but the results should be fairly RANDOM. It shouldn't be the same thing where he almost always stops chasing assists when he gets to 10-11, but keeps chasing them again if he hasn't gotten there.

Westbrook has ended up with 10/11 assists in TWELVE games since his triple-double streak started. Westbrook has ended up with 10/11 rebounds in SIXTEEN games since his triple-double streak started. That kinda shyt doesn't happen random - it's not some fukking coincidence that he hits 10/11 way more than any other number.



This shyt is unavoidable facts. You keep bringing up irrelevant shyt like how good Westbrook is or how good his teammates are or how great a motor he has. None of that has shyt to do with the fact that he's obviously stat-padding to try to reach that 10-11 number.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Nah you were of the belief that Durant needs to play with a pass-first PG, not Westbrook. We argued over this shyt for years.

Except, he hasn't. He's still the same player he's more or less always been. He's most certainly the same player now that he was last season. Which is why it's funny you claim he's only turned into a great PG/leader this season, when the only thing that's different is the fact he controls the ball more. That's all. It's just convienent for you to take this position to fuel your anti-Warriors agenda. You can NOT deny this. It's clear as day.

My god, you truly are clueless.

My position on both of them has never flip flopped, not once - I've always been consistent with my praise and criticism when it comes to both of them over the years. These deflection tactics don't work on me. You spent YEARS AND YEARS hating on Westbrook, and propping up Durant, then you flicked the switch the moment KD signed with the Warriors.. All the anti-Westbrook rhetoric that you shyt on now, is the same shyt you were pushing not too long ago.

You can't fool me.

You've fooled yourself, thats good enough I guess

 

[KOBE]

Okay, if you don't know the fukk what I'm even talking about, then just stand down.

If you average 10 boards a game, then the exact number you end up around there, 9 or 10 or 11, should be a coin flip. You should hit each number about the same.

You don't hit 10/11 boards sixteen freaking times and only hit 9 boards once unless you specifically trying to stat pad to get that 10th board.

Except, as I said in my post, he has 25 games where he's had 12+ boards. That is more times than the amount of times he's gotten 9, 10, or 11 yet you completely dismiss that.

And I'm not even denying that he goes for rebounds, but they're one of the best rebounding teams in the league and one of the best transition teams in the league. Where it hurts them most is offensive boards where Russ isn't on anybody and the opposition can get another relatively open shot, but that's not what you're arguing, you're arguing some irrelevant bullshyt that doesn't really matter because there's no context to it. It doesn't matter how many times he's gotten 9, 10, or 11 boards or even how many times he's gotten 12+ boards or less than 8 boards. What matters is how often the opposition scores on them because of the rebound hunting and if it's either their rebounding numbers or transition game. For the latter it does neither, for the former I can't really quantify it but I know it's happening, but there's positives to it as well.

Your argument that it's just because he's so great at rebounding don't make no sense, because Russell only ends up with 5-6-7 boards plenty of times. Hell, up to a year ago that's what he was averaging, and even this year he's down there plenty of times. When he's too far away on rebounds to get his triple-double, there's nothing he can do. It's only 9 boards he doesn't get stuck on - because he sees the trip-doub within reach and does everything he can to get it.

He is the best rebounding point guard in the game regardless how many uncontested ones he gets as very capable of getting contested ones as well not to mention he averages plenty of offensive boards too, but lets not talk about that.

Did you see that game last year when Westbrook tried to get is 10th rebound, couldn't secure it, and then ran to the scorer's table yelling "TIP! TIP!" to try to get the scorer to give him a tipped-shot credit so he could have his triple-double?




Literally begging the scorekeeper to give him an irrelevant missed shot so he could get his triple-double statistic.

Why should I give a shyt? Players have done this type of shyt for ages, especially players wanting to be credited for assists. Westbrook ain't alone.

WTF are you trying to argue?

How does having good shooters make you more likely to stop at just 9 assists?

And last year he had fukking Durant and Ibaka and didn't average any more assists than this.

I'm trying to argue that getting stuck at 9 assists/boards or getting 10/11 of them is fukking irrelevant and that having a supporting cast that can actually do shyt with the ball or at the very least put the ball in the bucket helps a lot. Having a Harden like support cast where he would still be allowed to dominate the ball you can be damn well assured he'd get more than 10 assists a game.

And ya, he did have Durant and Ibaka last year and didn't average any more assists, but guess what? They were one of the best teams in the league and a game from the finals. Pretty sure that's a lot more relevant. People in here are trying to trash on Westbrook as a player when he's been apart of very successful teams already and was very much part of a contending team last year. He doesn't hurt his teams, that's some nonsense, it took a historic team to eliminate them last year and it took a historic performance from Klay in game 6 just for that to happen. So my question why are there people in here trying to trash his game when he's very obviously one of the best players in the league and whether or not he hunts triple doubles doesn't really change that. He's not bad for the NBA, durant leaving to create a super team and making Thunder a non-contending team is what's bad for the NBA.

So why does that stuff only happen in the 1st half, and then suddenly stop early in the 3rd quarter when Russ picks up his 10th assist?

Why does he have 20+ games with 12+ assists if it only happens in the 1st half and suddenly stops early in the third quarter?

They can't "stop hitting shots" that they aren't even taking.

I've watched plenty of thunder games this year, they are very capable of going from hot to cold in their shooting and there's plenty of players on that team that can't convert open jumpers.

You're acting like the only player that ever shoots on the team is Westbrook. Who exactly are you arguing for more shot opportunities on the team?

Do you know how many times Russ has took 10-15 shots after he came in with 8 minutes to go in the game? Even though he'd already had 10-11 assists for the game in the first three quarters?

No idea how many times he's done that, but since you brought it up I'm assuming you do know. Hit me up with the number of times Russ has taken 10-15 shots after he came in with 8 minutes to go in the game or shut the fukk up about it.

How da fukk can his teammates stop hitting shots when the ball never even touches their hands? How does Westbrook magically know they ain't going to hit shots in the 4th quarter when he was racking up assists just fine in the first three?

Ya he's really out here losing his team games on purpose, you got him.

No, but the results should be fairly RANDOM. It shouldn't be the same thing where he almost always stops chasing assists when he gets to 10-11, but keeps chasing them again if he hasn't gotten there.

20 times, I keep having to repeat this number as you seem to not have gotten the point, he has gotten more than 11 assists in a game. 20 times is roughly a third of the season.

Westbrook has ended up with 10/11 assists in TWELVE games since his triple-double streak started. Westbrook has ended up with 10/11 rebounds in SIXTEEN games since his triple-double streak started. That kinda shyt doesn't happen random - it's not some fukking coincidence that he hits 10/11 way more than any other number.

It's not a coincidence? Again you're being a moron. How many fukking players out there go out and get more than 10/11 assists or rebounds a game nightly?

You know what also isn't random, the fact he's gotten more than 11 assists twenty fukking times and more than 11 boards 25 times. Stop harping on shyt with zero context.

This shyt is unavoidable facts. You keep bringing up irrelevant shyt like how good Westbrook is or how good his teammates are or how great a motor he has. None of that has shyt to do with the fact that he's obviously stat-padding to try to reach that 10-11 number.

That isn't a fact, that's what you're perceiving from looking at a bunch of box score statistics from his gamelog.

 

[Kami]

Kd left cause he had an opportunity to play for the best team in the NBA.

Him/west/ibaka were surrounded by scrubs and lack luster shooting. Kd put himself in a spot to win a ring and he can opt out soon as well.

Let's face it kd left for his legacy he didn't run from Russ.

 

[Kami]

Westbrook Russ is good for the NBA everyone love a underdog story. nikka a one man team out there and is entertaining to watch.

And no kids can't mimick his game you gotta be an athletic freak.

 

[Darealtwo1]

John Wall would have this Thunder team in a better position than Westbrook.......John actually plays defense and passes the ball. This guy is really trying to argue that westbrook isn't chasing stats



This dude gives 0 fukks about defense....


don't give me no bullshyt about he passes the ball cuz he gets 10 assists THE OKC THUNDER RANK DEAD LAST OF ALL 30 TEAMS IN PASSES PER GAME Russ just dumps off to pad his stats. Dude has the most fraudulent 10 assists I've ever seen dude is the definition of watch the game and not the box score

If you wanna see how Russ really is, watch how he plays once the triple double is assembled nikka is see rim and go it's so funny to watch

The entire organization is in on it from Presti all the way down......They really put a 6'3 dude on the FT line with 7 footers so he can get boards Billy Donovan must have his hands tied because no Coach would let this entire shyt go on all season without it being corrected. Face it. The thunder ain't winning the chip so the only thing to make this season memorable for them is Russ to AVG a triple double since Oscar. Anyone who thinks a 6'3 guard IN SHOES can avg 10 boards NATURALLY in an NBA game is on fukking drugs

 

[Kami]

John Wall would have this Thunder team in a better position than Westbrook.......John actually plays defense and passes the ball. This guy is really trying to argue that westbrook isn't chasing stats



This dude gives 0 fukks about defense....


don't give me no bullshyt about he passes the ball cuz he gets 10 assists THE OKC THUNDER RANK DEAD LAST OF ALL 30 TEAMS IN PASSES PER GAME Russ just dumps off to pad his stats. Dude has the most fraudulent 10 assists I've ever seen dude is the definition of watch the game and not the box score

If you wanna see how Russ really is, watch how he plays once the triple double is assembled nikka is see rim and go it's so funny to watch

The entire organization is in on it from Presti all the way down......They really put a 6'3 dude on the FT line with 7 footers so he can get boards Billy Donovan must have his hands tied because no Coach would let this entire shyt go on all season without it being corrected. Face it. The thunder ain't winning the chip so the only thing to make this season memorable for them is Russ to AVG a triple double since Oscar. Anyone who thinks a 6'3 guard IN SHOES can avg 10 boards NATURALLY in an NBA game is on fukking drugs

nikka knew melo wasn't passing the rock so he sagged off lee to be in a position to help/reboud.

Look at your highlight again once they ISO melo he isn't even in a position to pass to lee..you got Russ/kanter in the passing lanes.

That's good team Defense. If you can't see why he sagged off lee than quit speaking boss. Only reason lee got that shot off was the offensive board/second chance.

 

[KillerB88]

Lol at these arm chair experts. With all the "knowledge" circulating around here, I can only assume there are some professional NBA scouts in here.

 

[DarrynCobretti]

Anyone who legit knows basketball. played it before on any level or has a nuanced understanding of the game knows Russ is stat-padding his ass off.

It's obvious. He's a great player, but a guy like that will never win a ring and co-exist with another star long enough to win one. You think he could be the pg for one of those great MJ/Kobe/Bron led championship teams? Hell no, because MJ/Kobe/Bron wouldn't put up with his reckless playing style and ball dominant ways like KD did for all those years before he finally had enough of it.

 

[KillerB88]

Anyone who legit knows basketball. played it before on any level or has a nuanced understanding of the game knows Russ is stat-padding his ass off.

It's obvious. He's a great player, but a guy like that will never win a ring and co-exist with another star long enough to win one. You think he could be the pg for one of those great MJ/Kobe/Bron led championship teams? Hell no, because MJ/Kobe/Bron wouldn't put up with his reckless playing style and ball dominant ways like KD did for all those years before he finally had enough of it.

Lmao. Russ IS MJ/Kobe/Bron. What are you saying? Name one teammate current or former who has every had anything bad to say about Russ?

 

[DarrynCobretti]

Lmao. Russ IS MJ/Kobe/Bron. What are you saying? Name one teammate current or former who has every had anything bad to say about Russ?

Man wtf...you 2016 posters I swear...


My nikka did you just really put Russ on prime MJ/Kobe/Bron level? Dude doesn't play defense and is a ringless overachiever yet you put him on the same level as generational GOATs who were actual 2-way players who loved winning and dominating other teams more than stat-padding on a trash team.

That was almost a neg worthy comment my guy.