Episode 5 of SirBiatch in Concert: "No one cares about 'influence' and 'runs'"

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I see a lot of hipster mags and posters forcing the 'influence' issue. Usually as a way to get us to care about some disposable artist we already disposed. The influence/run conversation is all part of the glorious and empty hyperbole that modern day 'rappers' stake their struggle-careers on.

Let me keep it simple for y'all: EVERYONE gets copied, especially if you're dominating at a particular time. Aspiring dikkriders don't care about quality - they care about fame and imitation. If you have some sort of limelight to what you do, someone is going to copy you.

Nas is one of the most copied rappers of all time. So is Soulja Boy. They are on totally different ends of the stylistic and quality spectrum.

***In fact, let me detour for a second. THE most influential rapper of the last decade is EASILY Soulja Boy. Every single rapper of today is an internet rapper regardless of where you're from and style. That started with Soulja Boy. So when you sit here and talk about 3 6 Mafia, Project Pat, random Southern no names or struggle gimmicks like Rick Ross, Gucci Mane, without mentioning Soulja Boy, I know you're full of shyt.***

The reason why we care about Nas's influence and not Soulja Boy's, no matter how hard you force it......One ELEVATED the game, the other didn't. In fact, the other actively watered it down. I'll let you figure out who is who.

It's easy as fukk to water shyt down and be xeroxed. We don't give a fukk. You will be forgotten and lack respect. It's way harder to innovate. To bring something fresh and new to the table so that others can play with it (with good and bad results).

Sorry that you'll keep forcing us to care about Gucci and 3 6 Mafia. Their discographies are TRASH, and ultimately that's the final word on a musician's legacy. To add insult to injury, Lil B outdid Gucci Mane years ago. Rocky outdid 3 6 Mafia on his first try. To quote "Demons", "It's ASAP! nikka, live with it" :laff:
 

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The most copied artist of the last decade is Soulja Boy because be blew off the internet?

Yeah. There are other reasons but the outcome is still the same.

The internet becoming a major platform for artists was inevitable.

I agree. Does that change the outcome of Soulja Boy being the most influential?
 

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#1 If you wanted to do Gucci talk, you should have kept it in your other Gucci Mane thread in which you were wrong about him coming and going. Months later and you are still making subliminal threads about him.

#2 Influence is still very much apart of any artistic output. Whether it is making music, painting, drawing, or sculpting. The influence one or few artists have over others is what makes them GREAT and talked about for many years after the fact.

#3 Soulja Boy is not the most influential because he copied what already had been established in music and put it on YouTube. That is no different than TAG TEAM or Digital Underground with the 'Humpty Dance' before him. Kid rappers with gimmicks was already done prior by Kriss Kross. Down South rappers wanted to make simple songs about sex since 2 Live Crew became popular. He didn't come with a style. He came with a way to deliver his music but who did the heavy lifting? Youtube/Google. He was a clever kid but musically, he isn't influential. He also wasn't the only person to use the Internet to blow up......

Though we could really scratch all that if you want to give up your Drake stan gimmick....I mean he also blew up on Myspace, dominated Pandora, he has perfectly executed the meme battles, is the most streamed artist of all time, and no one has dominated digitally like Drake. Everyone wants to actually sound like him and be like him....but if influence means nothing and Drake doesn't write his lyrics...then he's a fraud. You should do multiple threads FURIOUS about him vs Gucci Mane, If you ask me.
 

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#1 If you wanted to do Gucci talk, you should have kept it in your other Gucci Mane thread in which you were wrong about him coming and going. Months later and you are still making subliminal threads about him.

#2 Influence is still very much apart of any artistic output. Whether it is making music, painting, drawing, or sculpting. The influence one or few artists have over others is what makes them GREAT and talked about for many years after the fact.

#3 Soulja Boy is not the most influential because he copied what already had been established in music and put it on YouTube. That is no different than TAG TEAM or Digital Underground with the 'Humpty Dance' before him. Kid rappers with gimmicks was already done prior by Kriss Kross. Down South rappers wanted to make simple songs about sex since 2 Live Crew became popular. He didn't come with a style. He came with a way to deliver his music but who did the heavy lifting? Youtube/Google. He was a clever kid but musically, he isn't influential. He also wasn't the only person to use the Internet to blow up......

Though we could really scratch all that if you want to give up your Drake stan gimmick....I mean he also blew up on Myspace, dominated Pandora, he has perfectly executed the meme battles, is the most streamed artist of all time, and no one has dominated digitally like Drake. Everyone wants to actually sound like him and be like him....but if influence means nothing and Drake doesn't write his lyrics...then he's a fraud. You should do multiple threads FURIOUS about him vs Gucci Mane, If you ask me.

I know he's a producer too but kanye is also known not to write a lot of his own lyrics so does that mean his influence doesnt mean anything either? :jbhmm:

edit: damn i misread your comment :lolbron:
 
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#1 If you wanted to do Gucci talk, you should have kept it in your other Gucci Mane thread in which you were wrong about him coming and going. Months later and you are still making subliminal threads about him.

This thread was about Gucci? :wtf: You should know the difference between a thread being about someone and when someone is used an example to illustrate a topic that is not about a specific person.

#2 Influence is still very much apart of any artistic output. Whether it is making music, painting, drawing, or sculpting. The influence one or few artists have over others is what makes them GREAT and talked about for many years after the fact.

This is vague. Do you wanna elaborate on this more in relation to thread topic? Maybe bring up some examples to contradict what I've said?

#3 Soulja Boy is not the most influential because he copied what already had been established in music and put it on YouTube. That is no different than TAG TEAM or Digital Underground with the 'Humpty Dance' before him. Kid rappers with gimmicks was already done prior by Kriss Kross. Down South rappers wanted to make simple songs about sex since 2 Live Crew became popular. He didn't come with a style. He came with a way to deliver his music but who did the heavy lifting? Youtube/Google. He was a clever kid but musically, he isn't influential. He also wasn't the only person to use the Internet to blow up......

and we can't do the same breakdown for ANY rapper? :jbhmm:

At the end of the day, as I said to ISO, does any of this change the outcome? Soulja Boy is the most influential.

Though we could really scratch all that if you want to give up your Drake stan gimmick....I mean he also blew up on Myspace, dominated Pandora, he has perfectly executed the meme battles, is the most streamed artist of all time, and no one has dominated digitally like Drake. Everyone wants to actually sound like him and be like him....but if influence means nothing and Drake doesn't write his lyrics...then he's a fraud. You should do multiple threads FURIOUS about him vs Gucci Mane, If you ask me.

You were going somewhere with this but then you brought up ghostwriting and started going off the deep end into your own mind
 
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