Erdogan Convinced Trump to Withdraw In One Phone Call - Was Shocked At His Success

[Secure Da Bag]

Caught off guard, Erdogan cautioned Trump against a hasty withdrawal, according to one official. While Turkey has made incursions into Syria in the past, it does not have the necessary forces mobilized on the border to move in and hold the large swaths of northeastern Syria where U.S. troops are positioned, the official said.

If Trump was smart, he would have pulled out immediately and let the Turkish scramble. That way they wouldn't have time to amass their army at the border. Give some breathing room to the Kurds, and even the Syrians. But now, the Turks are gonna take that area over for sure.

 

[01King]

Liberals have to make up their mind. Its either "We shouldn't be there in the first place" or "We shouldn't be pulling out". I don't know who is worse liberals or conservatives. SMH

 

[Robbie3000]

If Trump was smart, he would have pulled out immediately and let the Turkish scramble. That way they wouldn't have time to amass their army at the border. Give some breathing room to the Kurds, and even the Syrians. But now, the Turks are gonna take that area over for sure.

Poor Kurds are going to get fukked again messing with the U.S.

Remember when H.W put a battery in their back and got them gassed by Saddam?

 

[Pressure]

Liberals have to make up their mind. Its either "We shouldn't be there in the first place" or "We shouldn't be pulling out". I don't know who is worse liberals or conservatives. SMH

Imagine making an argument under the false narrative that democrats are anti war.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Imagine making an argument under the false narrative that democrats are anti war.

Why were wery mad at George W. Bush then?

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Liberals have to make up their mind. Its either "We shouldn't be there in the first place" or "We shouldn't be pulling out". I don't know who is worse liberals or conservatives. SMH

weird old aliases coming out the woodwork

2012 join date, 300 posts, generic name

yeah, go fukk your mother

 

[Regular_P]

Trump was not dissuaded, according to the officials, who said the president quickly capitulated by pledging to withdraw, shocking both Bolton and Erdogan.

Caught off guard, Erdogan cautioned Trump against a hasty withdrawal, according to one official. While Turkey has made incursions into Syria in the past, it does not have the necessary forces mobilized on the border to move in and hold the large swaths of northeastern Syria where U.S. troops are positioned, the official said.

Be careful what you wish for, brehs.

 

[88m3]

I bet Trump plays a mean game of poker

 

[Strapped]

One of Trump's first military actions besides that failed one that got those soldiers killed was bombing that air field cause he saw intel about Assad using chemical weapons.

Lies ,

 

[Json]

Lies ,

You right. Assad just an upstanding doctor who just wants to rule his family’s country like Trump who puts kids in cages. Both are friendly towards upstanding leader Putin who doesn’t kill former officials who leave.



It’s not like all governments do shady stuff to minorities and the lower classes in their societies. Assad and the company he keeps above all that.

 

[Strapped]

You right. Assad just an upstanding doctor who just wants to rule his family’s country like Trump who puts kids in cages. Both are friendly towards upstanding leader Putin who doesn’t kill former officials who leave.



It’s not like all governments do shady stuff to minorities and the lower classes in their societies. Assad and the company he keeps above all that.

There was never any proof that asad did it

 

[Json]

There was never any proof that asad did it

Make sure you put that cape on for whatever story a white cop puts on when they shoot another black man with no proof the black man wasn’t a threat.

Assad killed (with military force) his own people who dared to riot against him but you really think it’s a step too far for him to use WMD which he had in possession before the war(for fun I guess)

 

[Savvir]

Democrats are Hawks because they want a withdrawal that is actually part of a PLAN that was discussed between our allies first?



This is like disbanding the entire US police force because of police brutality...

"But I thought you blacks wanted the police to go away..?"

Complex problem aren't usually solved by simple solutions.... You just end up with DIFFERENT problems in the end.

 

[Strapped]

Make sure you put that cape on for whatever story a white cop puts on when they shoot another black man with no proof the black man wasn’t a threat.

Assad killed (with military force) his own people who dared to riot against him but you really think it’s a step too far for him to use WMD which he had in possession before the war(for fun I guess)

Afganistan, iraq ,Libya, panama, iran contra ,yemen & Kuwait

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Who told you asad gassed anyone

So, you a Russian troll or do you just read their news?

We KNOW that Syria has chemical weapons meant to use against its enemies because it publicly admitted so.

We know that Syria uses banned cluster munitions and barrel bombs to commit human rights atrocities because it refuses to sign onto the treaty banning them.

So you want us to believe that Syria is perfectly happy to commit human rights atrocities with other weapons, and perfectly willing to manufacture chemical weapons in order to commit atrocities with them, and you want us to believe there's obvious evidence of chemical weapons being used against citizens who oppose Assad's rule, but you want to believe that it's not Assad using the weapons he admits he owns because....Russia told you not to believe it?

The JIM also said it was confident that the Syrian government was responsible for the release of the Sarin in Khan Sheikhoun, with an aircraft alleged to have dropped a bomb on the town.

The images from Khan Sheikhoun prompted US President Donald Trump to order a missile strike on the Syrian Air Force base from where Western powers believed the aircraft that attacked the town took off.

President Assad said the incident in Khan Sheikhoun was fabricated, while Russia said the Syrian Air Force bombed a "terrorist ammunition depot" that was full of chemical weapons, inadvertently releasing a toxic cloud.

But Stefan Mogl, a member of the OPCW team that investigated the attack, said he found evidence that the Sarin used in Khan Sheikhoun belonged to the Syrian government.

There was a "clear match" between the Sarin and the samples brought back from Syria in 2014 by the OPCW team eliminating the country's stockpile, he said.

So are you gonna claim that the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (an independent international NGO), the OPCW-UN Joint Investigative Mechanism, the BBC and the United States are all part of an intentional conspiracy together?

And that Russian spin. "It wasn't a chemical bomb, it was just a regular bomb that landed on a bunch of chemical weapons, what luck!"

Russia and Syria didn't even bother to get the same cover story.

1. The use of chemical weapons has been widespread
The BBC has determined there is enough evidence to be confident that at least 106 chemical attacks have taken place in Syria since September 2013, when the president signed the international Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) and agreed to destroy the country's chemical weapons stockpile.

Syria ratified the CWC a month after a chemical weapons attack on several suburbs of the capital, Damascus, that involved the nerve agent Sarin and left hundreds of people dead. The horrific pictures of victims convulsing in agony shocked the world. Western powers said the attack could only have been carried out by the government, but Mr Assad blamed the opposition.

The OPCW, the global watchdog that oversees implementation of the Chemical Weapons Convention, says a chemical weapon is a chemical used to cause intentional death or harm through its toxic properties.

The use of chemical weapons is prohibited under international humanitarian law regardless of the presence of a valid military target, as the effects of such weapons are indiscriminate by nature and designed to cause superfluous injury and unnecessary suffering.

Since 2014, the OPCW's Fact-Finding Mission (FFM) in Syria and the now-disbanded OPCW-UN Joint Investigative Mechanism (JIM) have investigated allegations of the use of toxic chemicals for hostile purposes in Syria.

They have determined that 37 incidents have involved or are likely to have involved the use of chemicals as weapons between September 2013 and April 2018.

The UN Human Rights Council's Independent International Commission of Inquiry (COI) on Syria and other UN-affiliated bodies have meanwhile concluded that there are reasonable grounds to believe that chemical weapons have been used in 18 other cases.

Panorama and BBC Arabic examined 164 reports of chemical attacks alleged to have happened since Syria signed up to the CWC just over five years ago.

The BBC team determined that there was credible evidence to be confident a chemical weapon was used in 106 of those 164 incidents.

While only a few of these attacks have made headlines, the data suggests a pattern of repeated and sustained use of chemical weapons.

"The use of chemical weapons has delivered some outcomes for [government forces] that they believe are worth the risk, and [chemical weapons] have subsequently been shown to be worth the risk because they keep using them, repeatedly," said Julian Tangaere, former head of the OPCW mission to Syria.


Karen Pierce, the United Kingdom's permanent representative to the UN in New York, described the use of chemical weapons in Syria as "vile".

"Not just because of the truly awful effects but also because they are a banned weapon, prohibited from use for nearly 100 years," she said.

About the data
The BBC team considered 164 reports of chemical attacks from September 2013 onwards.

The reports were from a variety of sources considered broadly impartial and not involved in the fighting. They included international bodies, human rights groups, medical organisations and think tanks.

In line with investigations carried out by the UN and the OPCW, BBC researchers, with the help of several independent analysts, reviewed the open source data available for each of the reported attacks, including victim and witness testimonies, photographs and videos.

The BBC team had their methodology checked by specialist researchers and experts.

The BBC researchers discounted all incidents where there was only one source, or where they concluded there was not sufficient evidence. In all, they determined there was enough credible evidence to be confident a chemical weapon was used in 106 incidents.

The BBC team were not allowed access to film on the ground in Syria and could not visit the scenes of reported incidents, and therefore were not able to categorically verify the evidence.

However, they did weigh up the strength of the available evidence in each case, including the video footage and pictures from each incident, as well as the details of location and timing.

The available evidence, including video, photographs and eyewitness testimony, suggests that at least 51 of the 106 reported attacks were launched from the air. The BBC believes all the air-launched attacks were carried out by Syrian government forces.

Although Russian aircraft have conducted thousands of strikes in support of Mr Assad since 2015, UN human rights experts on the Commission of Inquiry have said there are no indications that Russian forces have ever used chemical weapons in the Syria.

The OPCW has likewise found no evidence that opposition armed groups had the capability to mount air attacks in the cases it has investigated.

Tobias Schneider of the Global Public Policy Institute has also investigated whether the opposition could have staged any air-launched chemical attacks and concluded that they could not. "The Assad regime is the only actor deploying chemical weapons by air," he said.

Dr Lina Khatib, head of the Middle East and North Africa programme at Chatham House, said: "The majority of chemical weapons attacks that we have seen in Syria seem to follow a pattern that indicates that they were the work of the regime and its allies, and not other groups in Syria."

"Sometimes the regime uses chemical weapons when it doesn't have the military capacity to take an area back using conventional weapons," she added.

Sarin was used in the deadliest of the 106 reported attacks - at Khan Sheikhoun - but the evidence suggests that the most commonly used toxic chemical was chlorine.

Chlorine is what is known as a "dual-use" chemical. It has many legitimate peaceful civilian uses, but its use as a weapon is banned by the CWC.

Chlorine is thought to have been used in 79 of the 106 reported attacks, according to the BBC's data. The OPCW and JIM have determined that chlorine is likely to have been used as a weapon in 15 of the cases they have investigated.