Erdogan "women are not equal to men"

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It aint the neolithic age, bruh. Its 2014....Wanton aggression and physicality has been neutralized and is largely a net negative. If physicality is a quality you wear on your sleeve you're probably headed to jail.

By that measure, some random juice head at Gold's Gym is "superior" to Obama, Bill Gates, and a geeky programmer 'cause he can beat them at arm wrestling.

Job trends have sharply moved away form labor intensive, low skilled work to highly skilled and educated thinkers ready to compete in the global economy. Fukkin 1940 called, and it wants its ideology back.

And all this "social protection" sht goes out the window when we introduced accessibility to firearms. Women who have been trained to use a handgun will see your "physical strength" and raise you 10 bullet holes where your ass used to be.

Even without "social protection" the theories of the insecure man who posts women are inferior are nonsensical. Even when reducing human life to mere physical prowess the fact remains: no father, brother, or uncle is allowing the women in their lives to be preyed upon to satisfy the slightly homoerotic fantasies of a world devoid of social structures where it becomes men vs. women that these desperate men create in their heads.
 
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(1) It aint the neolithic age, bruh. Its 2014....

(2) Wanton aggression and physicality has been neutralized and is largely a net negative. If physicality is a quality you wear on your sleeve you're probably headed to jail.

(3) By that measure, some random juice head at Gold's Gym is "superior" to Obama, Bill Gates, and a geeky programmer 'cause he can beat them at arm wrestling.

(4) Job trends have sharply moved away form labor intensive, low skilled work to highly skilled and educated thinkers ready to compete in the global economy. Fukkin 1940 called, and it wants its ideology back.

(5) And all this "social protection" sht goes out the window when we introduced accessibility to firearms. Women who have been trained to use a handgun will see your "physical strength" and raise you 10 bullet holes where your ass used to be.
(1) I know that...
(2) I have addressed that..."It is better to control people with an ideology than to use violence"...We agree...
(3) a.) Obama and Gates may be socially superior, but the Random Juice Head maybe physically and psychologically superior...
b.) This discussion is based on GENERALIZATIONS...You are using exceptional examples...You are distorting things...
(4) What does this have to do with anything I stated...? I even suggested that women might have a slight intellectual advantage over men...So, I don't know what this 1940 business is all about...

There is evidence to suggest that women could be smarter than men...But we have seen what men have accomplished...So, whatever intellectual advantage women may have over men is probably negligible..

(5) How well will an average woman who has been trained to use a gun fair against an average men who has been given the same training...? How well are the women in Pakistan, India, Africa, South America (the MAJORITY of women in the world) fairing in these male dominated societies...?

(6) Your reply was just YOUR opinion...You didn't present any OBJECTIVE criteria to support your belief that men and women are equal...

(7) My comparison of men and women is based on (A) Biology (B) Psychology and (C) Social...
A. Men are physically superior to women...Even feminist have eat this SCIENTIFIC fact whether they like it or not...:mjlol:
B. Psychologically i.e. academic intelligence, emotional intelligence and overall mental health, women may have a slight academic advantage over men according some studies...Women use more words, do better with reading and do better in school...But we all know men are capable because we have the internet and men made that shyt...

So in this category I think a tie is the most probable outcome...

C. Socially, men have more power than women...We have this power because we are physically stronger than women...Now, I am not a simple minded dude...I know a Hillary Clinton has more juice than I will ever had...But that is because society has given Hillary that juice...

The average chick on my social level, doesn't have that Hillary Clinton type juice...

The fact of the matter is that the average woman in this world is second class citizen...

If you look at the socioeconomic numbers, women are the poorest sex in the world...This is a FACT...

Therefore, socially men have women beat...

(8) Conclusion, Men are physically superior to women, Men and women are PROBABLY equally intelligent (in the various ways this word can be interpreted) and on average, men have more social capital than women...

Men have women beat in 2 categories (physical and social power) and we are probably equal in one (psychology)...

Feminist rhetoric won't change the facts... :manny:
 

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Turk friend of mine said "they took his words and changed then 180 degrees. I suggest you listen to the him directly and ask someone to translate word to word.

Also, you may see me as a supporter of Erdogan, but a simple Google search will show you that women took way more active role in modern Turkey during his term. For example, look at the number of women representatives at the Turkish parliament"

I looked up his comments:

The president said the gender gap between men and women can only be eliminated through justice. "Today, some people call for equality of men and women. Equality is possible within each gender, such as equality of women with other women and men with other men. What is really needed is women's equality before justice and that is what we should be committed to. Women need to be equivalents, rather than being equals," he said. "It is against nature to make women and men equals. For instance, a pregnant woman is not equal to a man in a workplace. She cannot be burdened with the responsibilities of men. You cannot make women – like the Communist regimes did – work in hard labor, as in giving her a shovel. It is against her delicate nature," he said. Erdoğan stated Turkey witnessed the same problem in the past, referring to women laborers. "Those poor women suffered greatly while men idled at coffeehouses, burdening women with all the manual labor," he said, referring to a prevalent culture in rural Turkey. "So, what we need is not the equality of women with men but justice," Erdoğan said.

Erdoğan also praised women's place in Islam in his speech. "In Islam, mothers are described as 'having the paradise at their feet.' I used to kiss my dear mother's feet; I would smell heaven. Motherhood is an entirely different thing. It is unattainable; it is sacred. Not everyone would understand what it really is. Feminists cannot understand it; they take motherhood lightly," he said.

Speaking about murders of women by their spouses, which have reached concerning levels in Turkey according to some nongovernmental organizations, Erdoğan said such actions were the result of people "lacking faith." "A religious person cannot be involved in any act of violence against women. Islam means peace. If you belong to a religion of peace, you cannot treat women in any brutal way. You cannot commit acts of violence," he said, and emphasized that Islam forbade violence toward women.

Erdoğan said the ruling Justice and Development Party (AK Party) government he used to serve as prime minister in the past has always been on the side of women in their struggle for their rights and pledged to continue support for women's rights.

He also praised KADEM which has "accomplished a lot in less than two years since its formation." "With its stance, discourse and ideas, it stands out among other nongovernmental organizations. Unlike other NGOs, it presented a concrete agenda rather than looking to fuel tensions like some other activist groups. Turkey had really needed such an organization for women's problems. I believe this summit will be very important for discussing women's problems and justice together on a national and international level," Erdoğan said, adding that Turkey needed a new approach to women's rights rather than to be confined by the rhetoric for women's rights in other countries. "Turkey can present a different point of view by introducing conscience, sincerity and justice into this matter. You can build a new form of struggle instead of 'exported' efforts," he said, noting that women's rights activists were "stuck on the concept of equality while missing the justice aspect of the matter. For instance, it is important to raise global awareness to the inhumane treatment of Palestinian, Egyptian, Syrian and Iraqi women."

The president said he has always been a supporter of women in politics and worked for women's further inclusion in politics and economy.

Addressing the summit, Family and Social Policies Minister Ayşenur İslam said the process regarding the struggle for women's rights reached a point that further widened the gender gap and pitted genders against each other in a modern-day challenge. "If women's problems are still debated after it first began some 100 years ago, then we need a new debate on the current approach to the problems," İslam said, and added that women and men should be "complementary" to each other rather than substitutions for each other and that movements for women's rights that ignores a society's basic dynamics would fail. "We inherited a legacy of justice that sided with the weak against the strong and we need to rebuild the notion of courage in pursuit of justice," she said, and emphasized that Turkey took measures for women's active inclusion in social life in the past decade.

İslam also spoke about violence against women that is being discussed at the summit. She said elimination of violence was only possible by a joint and determined stance by all members of the society and stressed the national action plan that the government implemented in 2012.

Speaking at the event, KADEM President Sare Aydın Yılmaz said the summit is hosting participants of different cultures and faiths who are discussing women's status, progress and struggle against violence targeting women. She said that the progress of women was condition of the social justice, adding, "This is about building a democratic, fair and advanced society." Yılmaz said societies managing to address women's problems efficiently would succeed in maintaining justice, development and prosperity. Yılmaz said women and men complimented each other as the state of their togetherness was based on spiritual values and culture. "First, we need to maintain solidarity between women and men for the advancement of the society. Unfortunately, it is difficult for women to be rescued from patriarchal views that see itself as the pillar of the system," Yılmaz said. She added that the real issue was social gender justice rather than equality between genders. "We believe justice will be served once the roles attributed to men and women are redefined," she said.

The Regional Director for Europe and Central Asia at U.N. Women, Ingibjorg Gisladottir, said at the event that NGOs had a very important role in the fight against gender inequality. She praised "serious steps" in terms of women's rights in Turkey, but noted that gender inequality was still prevalent in the region and in the world.

She said social ideologies discriminating against women were still prevalent in the region, especially in terms of equal pay and women's promotion in the business world.

The International Women and Justice Summit aims to start a debate to eliminate the gender-based discrimination and establish a just and democratic order for genders. The summit's organizers say it also aims to shape an effective and scientific platform for a comprehensive debate of challenges women face, from domestic violence to discrimination in politics, business and other areas of life.

The event's agenda addresses topics such as obstacles to the participation of women in decision-making and political life, the gender gap in wages, job distribution, female-specific poverty, problems of women displaced by conflicts and human trafficking, women's exploitation as objects of consumption in the media and combating violence against women and related social policies.
http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/...o-racism-antisemitism-is-justice-erdogan-says

Western outlets have taken one or two quotes and ran with it, I guess
 
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If life and "superiority" was just about physical prowess most of you pizza faced, insecure men posting about women's inferiority on the internet from your mother's basements would be dead.
(1) Typical...If you don't agree with homosexuals then you must be secretly gay, if you don't believe in the myth of sexual equality, you must be a bitter underachieving fat slob stuck in his parents' basement....:mjlol:

(2) Are you implying that my arguments would hold more weight if I was an abusive pimp subjugating desperate women into a life of prostitution...? :shaq:
 

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Turk friend of mine said "they took his words and changed then 180 degrees. I suggest you listen to the him directly and ask someone to translate word to word.

Also, you may see me as a supporter of Erdogan, but a simple Google search will show you that women took way more active role in modern Turkey during his term. For example, look at the number of women representatives at the Turkish parliament"
Every Turkish person I know or have met sees things otherwise.
 

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Every Turkish person I know or have met sees things otherwise.

It's been a mixed bag for me. The secular ones hate him obviously.

Among Muslim folk its split, some like his stances on social issues, other like the economic gains, and then there's others who say he's been in power too long and shouldn't be trying to use his AKP to change the constitution and all that.

I love the Turks
 

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no way women are strong and equal, why else would they be begging men to stop raping and beating them :mjlol:
 

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(1) Typical...If you don't agree with homosexuals then you must be secretly gay, if you don't believe in the myth of sexual equality, you must be a bitter underachieving fat slob stuck in his parents' basement....:mjlol:

(2) Are you implying that my arguments would hold more weight if I was an abusive pimp subjugating desperate women into a life of prostitution...? :shaq:

Pretty much. I've never met a well adjusted, successful person with any vested interest in believing any group is inferior to him/her. Don't get me wrong though, I get it. The fact that you are more than likely reminded of your personal inferiority daily in your interactions with others, male and female, and thus have to lean on supposed group superiority to feel any power at all is the common reason most bigots are bigots. However I do have to say boiling down "superiority" to physical prowess is possibly the dumbest position anyone could take to prove that point, especially since several species are far more physically superior to humans (including human males :ohmy:) and imo only morons would argue from a vantage point where you could say apes > humans. But I do understand you doing what you need to do to get that self esteem though.

Your second point literally doesn't even make sense and I suspect was just something typed to fish for support from the other insecure men who dapped you.

no way women are strong and equal, why else would they be begging men to stop raping and beating them :mjlol:

You mean the same way Black men are asking white men to stop beating and murdering them? Would any of the Black men dapping the posts about women's inferiority like to chime in on this unfortunate coincidence? :lupe:
 
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