PartyHeart
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To accomplish what he has in the climate and with the opposition he had to work with is incredible when you really think about it. Potential dirty politics aside, you have to respect that.
Eric Holder To Step Down As Attorney General
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The man really and truly was about that life.
They talk shyt about Obama. Colin. Clarence Thomas...but Holder is really that dude nikkas should be looking up to.
Deezy314619
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I could speak on how I feel about this but I won't. I'll just saythese mfs ain't playing fair. As if. 
ADevilYouKhow
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he fought the fight
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reagan did too but they shot him... that's when he decided toJFK was the last president who tried to take on Wall Street. He was about to restructure the Fed...
It didn't end up well for him
and concentrate on locking niccas up...
not so tough reagan
Dusty Bake Activate
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Too much Holder dikklicking in this thread. I him for his good work, but he was a mixed bag.
He did a helluva job revitalizing the DOJ's civil rights focus, like intervening against state voter restrictions, and giving judges more discretion on mandatory minimums. He tackled the Ferguson situation the right way. He spoke the truth about race in America (it's sad that a public official speaking the truth about race in America deserves props, but it is what it is.) Loved it when he sonned Louie Gohmert.
But he also co-signed the NSA's surveillance program and all things drone. He didn't prosecute anyone for torture under the Bush administration, nor did he prosecute anyone involved in the financial collapse. And he raided and prosecuted state-legal weed clinics for no fukking reason at all.
He was great on civil rights and terrible at civil liberties.
him for his good work, but he was a mixed bag.He did a helluva job revitalizing the DOJ's civil rights focus, like intervening against state voter restrictions, and giving judges more discretion on mandatory minimums. He tackled the Ferguson situation the right way. He spoke the truth about race in America (it's sad that a public official speaking the truth about race in America deserves props, but it is what it is.) Loved it when he sonned Louie Gohmert.
But he also co-signed the NSA's surveillance program and all things drone. He didn't prosecute anyone for torture under the Bush administration, nor did he prosecute anyone involved in the financial collapse. And he raided and prosecuted state-legal weed clinics for no fukking reason at all.
He was great on civil rights and terrible at civil liberties.
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Too much Holder dikklicking in this thread. I
He did a helluva job revitalizing the DOJ's civil rights focus, like intervening against state voter restrictions, and giving judges more discretion on mandatory minimums. He tackled the Ferguson situation the right way. He spoke the truth about race in America (it's sad that a public official speaking the truth about race in America deserves props, but it is what it is.) Loved it when he sonned Louie Gohmert.
But he also co-signed the NSA's surveillance program and all things drone. He didn't prosecute anyone for torture under the Bush administration, nor did he prosecute anyone involved in the financial collapse.
He was great on civil rights and terrible at civil liberties.
1. the NSA isn't going anywhere
2. Drones aren't either.
3. The torture shyt was just wild and I don't know if anyone could truly stop that train
4. the same mentality that led to "too big to fail" led to the lack of prosecutions.
Dusty Bake Activate
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lol...I knew you were going to come in here
Box Cutta
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I'm upset that he's leaving. I knew that he had been planning to go for some time, but I was hoping that maybe he might decide to just stick it out till the end. Wishful thinking I suppose.
to him, I've tons of respect for him, and I hope that, after some time to rest and mend and get his mind right after years of one of the most terrible jobs anyone could ever ask for, that he picks the torch back up and continues to work for civil rights in some capacity. Make no mistake, he's a weathered gentlemen and we can't expect for our elders to fight this fight forever, but I still think that he could be a great spokesperson for us. Hell, I hope that the Obama's do the same.
All I know is that the next AG, and democratic AG's in the future, better recognize that a bar has been set in regards to civil rights. I'm not even saying that Holder was perfect in this regard...but he's set a new standard. And if the next person comes in with a focus on gay issues or immigration or environmental protection or whatever, and they think that they are going to wean off of civil rights....I'm likely to say fukk Hilary and the dems in 2016. Supreme Court be damned, they can fill the seats with Sarah Palin clones for all I care.
All of the civil liberties issues you bring up, while fair points...all seem like they are bigger than the position of the AG....
NSA and surveillance? Americans are fukking gutless...look at the Boston Bombings fiasco....people loosing their minds over *that* type of shyt aren't about to throw a fit over their emails being read. Our own fear is why we are feeding into big brother.
I don't like it..I don't know if Eric Holder actually does either....but I know that he wasn't about to individually turn the tide. This is the new reality, worldwide. As @Napoleon just said...Nothing stops that train...outside of maybe massive civil disobedience, and most importantly...people actually growing a spine. But I doubt it. Eventually...all personal correspondences are going to be read. Our whereabouts shall be known at all times. 2+2=5. We lost.
Bush and his cronies were NEVER seeing any action. Keep in mind that, even on the "left", the height of any talk of prosecuting those war criminals (And the plateau was low to begin with, most people weren't expecting anything from Obama on that front) was early in his first term. Obama started his health care debate...and that was the last we ever heard of those rednecks....
to him, I've tons of respect for him, and I hope that, after some time to rest and mend and get his mind right after years of one of the most terrible jobs anyone could ever ask for, that he picks the torch back up and continues to work for civil rights in some capacity. Make no mistake, he's a weathered gentlemen and we can't expect for our elders to fight this fight forever, but I still think that he could be a great spokesperson for us. Hell, I hope that the Obama's do the same.All I know is that the next AG, and democratic AG's in the future, better recognize that a bar has been set in regards to civil rights. I'm not even saying that Holder was perfect in this regard...but he's set a new standard. And if the next person comes in with a focus on gay issues or immigration or environmental protection or whatever, and they think that they are going to wean off of civil rights....I'm likely to say fukk Hilary and the dems in 2016. Supreme Court be damned, they can fill the seats with Sarah Palin clones for all I care.
Too much Holder dikklicking in this thread. I
He did a helluva job revitalizing the DOJ's civil rights focus, like intervening against state voter restrictions, and giving judges more discretion on mandatory minimums. He tackled the Ferguson situation the right way. He spoke the truth about race in America (it's sad that a public official speaking the truth about race in America deserves props, but it is what it is.) Loved it when he sonned Louie Gohmert.
But he also co-signed the NSA's surveillance program and all things drone. He didn't prosecute anyone for torture under the Bush administration, nor did he prosecute anyone involved in the financial collapse.
He was great on civil rights and terrible at civil liberties.
All of the civil liberties issues you bring up, while fair points...all seem like they are bigger than the position of the AG....
NSA and surveillance? Americans are fukking gutless...look at the Boston Bombings fiasco....people loosing their minds over *that* type of shyt aren't about to throw a fit over their emails being read. Our own fear is why we are feeding into big brother.
I don't like it..I don't know if Eric Holder actually does either....but I know that he wasn't about to individually turn the tide. This is the new reality, worldwide. As @Napoleon just said...Nothing stops that train...outside of maybe massive civil disobedience, and most importantly...people actually growing a spine. But I doubt it. Eventually...all personal correspondences are going to be read. Our whereabouts shall be known at all times. 2+2=5. We lost.
Bush and his cronies were NEVER seeing any action. Keep in mind that, even on the "left", the height of any talk of prosecuting those war criminals (And the plateau was low to begin with, most people weren't expecting anything from Obama on that front) was early in his first term. Obama started his health care debate...and that was the last we ever heard of those rednecks....
Dusty Bake Activate
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Yeah I can understand that. There was no real political or public pressure with teeth to go against the civil liberties violations. The DOJ is pretty much a tool when it comes to foreign policy anyway. They have the discretion to take a more activist role in civil rights issues. Holder probably couldn't really buck on the President and the national security establishment in regard to drones and surveillance. I mean he could've resigned in protest but then he wouldn't have been able to do anything on the civil rights front. However, based on his words and actions, it's clear to me that he truly did believe in the necessity of a massive surveillance state and an aggressive droning program.I'm upset that he's leaving. I knew that he had been planning to go for some time, but I was hoping that maybe he might decide to just stick it out till the end. Wishful thinking I suppose.
All I know is that the next AG, and democratic AG's in the future, better recognize that a bar has been set in regards to civil rights. I'm not even saying that Holder was perfect in this regard...but he's set a new standard. And if the next person comes in with a focus on gay issues or immigration or environmental protection or whatever, and they think that they are going to wean off of civil rights....I'm likely to say fukk Hilary and the dems in 2016. Supreme Court be damned, they can fill the seats with Sarah Palin clones for all I care.
All of the civil liberties issues you bring up, while fair points...all seem like they are bigger than the position of the AG....
NSA and surveillance? Americans are fukking gutless...look at the Boston Bombings fiasco....people loosing their minds over *that* type of shyt aren't about to throw a fit over their emails being read. Our own fear is why we are feeding into big brother.
I don't like it..I don't know if Eric Holder actually does either....but I know that he wasn't about to individually turn the tide. This is the new reality, worldwide. As @Napoleon just said...Nothing stops that train...outside of maybe massive civil disobedience, and most importantly...people actually growing a spine. But I doubt it. Eventually...all personal correspondences are going to be read. Our whereabouts shall be known at all times. 2+2=5. We lost.
Bush and his cronies were NEVER seeing any action. Keep in mind that, even on the "left", the height of any talk of prosecuting those war criminals (And the plateau was low to begin with, most people weren't expecting anything from Obama on that front) was early in his first term. Obama started his health care debate...and that was the last we ever heard of those rednecks....
Also he gets no pass for being lax on Wall Street. No fraud prosecutions for anyone. GS gets a fine too small to be even considered a slap on the wrist. HBSC was literally laundering drug money and financing terrorism and he said they were too big too prosecute.
And his weed clinic prosecutions was just a$$hole behavior for no discernable reason.
He had a history of shadiness before (see: Mark Rich pardon).
I look at him sort of like I look at Lyndon Johnson in the sense that LBJ put in work on on civil rights and social justice but he presided over the criminal Vietnam War.
I don't want to give ANY public official too much props. They're supposed to be held to a high standard. The best you get is corruption within a explainable context and hopefully some constructive policy changes along the way.
Too much Holder dikklicking in this thread. I
He did a helluva job revitalizing the DOJ's civil rights focus, like intervening against state voter restrictions, and giving judges more discretion on mandatory minimums. He tackled the Ferguson situation the right way. He spoke the truth about race in America (it's sad that a public official speaking the truth about race in America deserves props, but it is what it is.) Loved it when he sonned Louie Gohmert.
But he also co-signed the NSA's surveillance program and all things drone. He didn't prosecute anyone for torture under the Bush administration, nor did he prosecute anyone involved in the financial collapse. And he raided and prosecuted state-legal weed clinics for no fukking reason at all.
He was great on civil rights and terrible at civil liberties.
No Succeding administration will ever prosecute the previous administration. What world are you living in
Dusty Bake Activate
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But it doesn't have to be that way. Some of you fukkers need to set higher standards.No Succeding administration will ever prosecute the previous administration. What world are you living in
shyt doesn't get done as it is, you think a presidents administration wants to spend its time trying to prosecute the previous admin? Which will ultimately lead no where?
Dusty Bake Activate
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I think I as a taxpayer and a citizen want them to when that previous administration committed war crimes, yeah. Following your logic, you are basically advocating that administrations be able to commit whatever crimes they want because the next administration would never prosecute them. You're tacitly co-signing unpunished carte blanche public corruption.