Erick Sermon Gives SHOCKING Reason He Didn’t Produce On Nas Illmatic • DoggieDiamonds

[L. Deezy]

Stop.

Nas was the herald to all the guys who saved hiphop and rap.
from being ushered right back into the old school rap is a fad era 1983 a decade or more later from ice and hammer, in the early nineties.

trying to excuse him of this.
is just as asinine of excusing nas of saying he never heard of pharoah monch. when asked about I gave you power.
when he came from large p and Paul c's family tree.


art barr

I wonder how many usuals are from the era when nas did that I do not know of pharoah month.
when the both was from queens and from the family tree of PAUL c.




art barr

Why are you bringing up Pharoh Monch thing. U know how many people I never cared to check out. Anyway.. skip all that...yall brought up the Source awards. That was payola based whether intentional by Source or not. BAD Boy and Death Row was battling for dominance and you talking bout a rapper with no backing was suppose to cut through all that? Lol man whatever...

 

[Art Barr]

Why are you bringing up Pharoh Monch thing. U know how many people I never cared to check out. Anyway.. skip all that...yall brought up the Source awards. That was payola based whether intentional by Source or not. BAD Boy and Death Row was battling for dominance and you talking bout a rapper with no backing was suppose to cut through all that? Lol man whatever...

I talked about the source coup in full reference.
did you skim?



sohh, Are you from the era of the usuals?

just answer them I am not cap'n.
I want to know culturally where brothers s really begin.
so cognitively we know the space from which we came to become of what happened.

as the gateway gen is non-knowing of facts before them.
as the culture based ideal to become prescient to the culture was stripped away from that gen.
the importance purposely has been stripped away from that gen.


I am nOt being combative.
I just want to know to understand from where not just you.
yet all of you are.
to fix what we lack and also move forward and cultivate.


we can fix this.
I look at all this as being So pivotal in the culture's favor.

it just needs the understanding of us all to know.
well the pendulum is to know where to push it and how much needs to be exerted to sway in to favor. Plus the knowledge to push it further away from never being retipped out of the culture's favor. As the nonviolent nongang prohibitive tale foundation of hip hop can remedy this world and planet.


for real...i seen it with my own two eyes.

not only just that,...it goes beyond that.


art barr


hiphop is a soul energy force all to yourself itself and every bboy bgirl around you.

that only real bboys and bgirls know.

I get the quickening if a writer in a room.
I get the quickening a real b girl in the room
I get the quickening another bboy in the room.
I get thr quickening another emcee is in room.

i can easily see any toys in a room.

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

Eric Sermon: '91 nas was too street

Some rap fans/media: nas changed his style n went street on It Was Written and started kicking that gangsta mafioso shyt. He wasn't built like that

Somebody lying n it ain't eric

What fans didn't consider illmatic street

U def white


Lemme Neg and toss another cac on ignore

 

[New Jeruz Jewelz]

Yeah as someone that lived through it, Nas Illmatic was gutter when released, Now it’s not NWA gutter but slick gutter. To me Illmatic = Godfather ((Michael coming into his destined power as a young Corleone)
IWW = Godfather ll (Michael fully embracing his power)

Eric had a different style, actually I’d love to hear Redman keep spitting that fly shyt at the start of Tonight’s The Night

 

[MikeStamina]

What fans didn't consider illmatic street

U def white


Lemme Neg and toss another cac on ignore

Comprehension is free n you still can't afford it.
Neg these nuts

 

[feelosofer]

It makes sense. The Styles didn't match. Erick Sermon since the late 80s was the master of the boom box banger. His production in 91 was suited to gritty rappers like Redman K-Solo, Parish etc. Guys who worked AB rhyme schemes and were big punch line style rappers (this not a diss)

Nas albeit a street rapper could rhyme in that aesthetic but he was already changing his style. I mean even the producers on Illmatic went a little of their wheelhouse to make the most of Illmatics rhymes and maintain a sense of cohesiveness.

 

[Guvnor]

Damn...see that's why you always give someone a chance especially if they are worthy of it. He passed up on an opportunity to work on illmatic but if he listened and gave Nas chance who knows what could have happened.

 

[Gains]

jazz samples

 

[King Ming]

you on it. basically yall have to understand the climate of new york emcees & hip hop when erick is telling this story, the animated/character voice rapper was all the rage. cartoon references, commercial jingles, puns, limericks, nursery rhymes, animated flows, etc. etc. etc..... for instance, yall remember nas' feature on mc serch back to the grill again? he stuck out like a sore thumb. you had red lover tone doing his best grand puba impression which was the template for other rappers like shoop salt n pepa, zhigge and others. and then an acculturated mc serch and chubb rock with the flipping mad styles flow. and chubb.... jesus christ chubb why? straight up screaming like ralph kramden lol. YOU ARE A BLABBERRR MOUTH!!!

hell go back and find an acculturated Kool G Rap on Letters off Live And Let Die. nikka said, "Bang! Bang! Bang! like the Ricochet Rabbit!!!" Lol shyt was cringe but G Rap was just purveying the landscape dominated by Das Efx, Redman, ODB. and also a pre-debut Bus, but VERY INFLUENTIAL Dungeon Dragon Busta Rhymes, plus the king of character voices B Real who done turned Scoob Lover into this weird rapping character named Big Scoob who sounded like a Looney Tunes character on Kane's Show n' Prove with Hov, Sauce and ODB..... hell even Kane started being animated, screaming bars every now and then. it was all the rage late '92 to late '94. Da Bush Babeez, Lord of the Underground, Nine, Trendz of Culture, Onyx (of course, should have been named first lol), Hoodratz... lol yall remember animated Fugees on Nappyheads Remix? Wyclef and Lauryn were the epitome of this style and toned it down later for The Score. hell Boof Baf and all that shyt on their first weed plate was that too


funny enough nikkas who rapped like Nas, Sauce Money, Lord Finesse and pre-Purple Tape Rae & Ghost were seen as a big antiquated. Remember Dante Ross was only focused on Meth & ODB and could have given a fukk about the rest of Wu. they fit the trope at that time. "Hey! Hey! Hey! like F-a-a-t A-a-a-albert. It's the Method Man ain't no ifs ands about it!" lmao... aye i went through this as an emcee (i was mid as fukk with a WOAT voice but fukk with me anyway). when i rhymed for producer Bobby Crawford in late '92. (produced YZ Return of the Holy One) his criticism? "You sound like them Queensbridge Nas & Fatal nikkas baby pah. Too old Rakim-ish. You need more energy to get the crowd hype son." which mirrored what Lord Digga said about my rhymes. it sounded too derivative of the '88 old guard way of rhyming and you know how Digga rhymed. gruff grimy voice and hella animated. hell, look at how Masta Ace changed from The Symphony/Take A Look Around to Slaughtahouse. his voice was very B-Realish and animated


so Erick had Redman, Joe Syninstr and Keith Murray. need I say more? and it wasn't just the execution but the content too. '93 was all about pop culture laced, edgy banality and quirkyness. "I like Muhammed Ali so fukk Gerry c00ney! "Even the wicked witch couldn't get with the scripts, the ugly bytch!" and here you have this poised, super mature, introspective, Rakim-ish, no frills, no bells, no whistles, laid back poet nikka named Nas. someone like Erick wanted him to rhyme like fukkin Lord Have Mercy More from Flipmode lol. but once Illmatic hit? he single handedly deaded them type of rappers b. by late '95 they were damn near obsolete. Biggie even changed his hyped up vocal tone from Dead Wrong/Party and Bullshyt to Unbelievable/Warning after the gawd Nas. and by the way i don't think Erick would have fit the jazzy sonic landscape of Illmatic at all. but GOD FORBID he saved & gave Nas that Rockafella Remix beat to use two years later on It Was Written. jesus christ Nas would have torn that to shreds (not that Reggie wasn't good but fukk with me though). anyway i'll go on forever so i'll leave it there..

/Thread!

 

[Sound (∀√a) Maths]

Imma take it further. The same ones who wanted another Illmatic didn’t even PURCHASE the first one. nikkas bootlegged the fukk out of it. And then. To add insult to injury. The publication that gave him his critical acclaim. SNUBBED him for the more commercial album that they rated LESS than Illmatic in the magazine. It showed him how full of shyt the whole process is.

Word!

 

[JayBaldacci]

I have no idea why people think it was written was commercial. That album is pretty gritty and the songs that are for the radio aren't even commercial. People have found a way to try to discredit nas since his career began Haha

Big features, glossy videos for mtv viewing, radio friendly production, west coast pandering... all on IWW. Not many eastcoast albums were more commercial that year.

 

[Mike the Executioner]

Nas has said many times that, Because he’s mastered that style, it bores him. He’ll never do an entire album like that again. He still does it on songs here and there (first verse of Lost Freestyle) but Nas wouldn’t be the Nas of today if he was just a straight spitter, he’d be Nature.

Any links to videos or written interviews where he talks about this?

To be honest, I never noticed a major change with Nas' style, to the point where I would want him to go back to what he was doing twenty years ago. He can still turn it on whenever he wants, or he can slow it down (like on his last album).

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Crazy that he said Nas was too street

I was a little Hit Squad stan at the time and they were the grimiest crew out. I guess he meant from a style standpoint becuz nothing is more street than the actual sewer

 

[C-Styles]

That's why mothaf*ckas gotta know their history and study the CLIMATE at the TIME!!! Keywords : CLIMATE and TIME! If you weren't there, you wouldn't understand, but at that very moment, the animated MC was IN. The laid back approach didnt' catch on till snoop crushed the buildings and from then on you had Biggie, Raekwon, the FUGEES (yes that's why their first album flopped, the hype sh*t had died by then) go straight to the laid back style and perfect timing for Ma$e to come out which eventually that was the forefront of how Jay just all of a sudden swooped in and took over.


on a different topic, that's why i've always said YOU NEED YOUR OWN STYLE and stop copying what's "HOT" because eventually you'll get left behind once that trend is over.

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

Crazy that he said Nas was too street

I was a little Hit Squad stan at the time and they were the grimiest crew out. I guess he meant from a style standpoint becuz nothing is more street than the actual sewer

he's talking content. Nas' content then was street... street poetry ...