ERICK SERMON : I Think Hip-Hop Isn't Hip-Hop...It's In Need Of A Different Name Right Now Cause It's Not Evolving!!
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KingsOfKings
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Everyone sees it and the sales/ratings say so as well.
edit: This nikka EDubb looks the same after all these years
edit: This nikka EDubb looks the same after all these years
The Dust King
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hiphop is a culture if you not aware or dont care it aint hiphop then
hiphop is a culture if you not aware or dont care it aint hiphop then
TheWiseWon
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Artists and listeners have to grow for the culture to follow suit.
Rapping about anything of substance cannot appeal to the average listener because their world-view is not compatible with those messages. Riding around and feeling like either Max Payne, Pablo Escobar, or a ratchet bytch is easily digestible.
Evolving requires being uncomfortable with the norm, but most seem complacent with the state of affairs on a mainstream level beyond music.
Rapping about anything of substance cannot appeal to the average listener because their world-view is not compatible with those messages. Riding around and feeling like either Max Payne, Pablo Escobar, or a ratchet bytch is easily digestible.
Evolving requires being uncomfortable with the norm, but most seem complacent with the state of affairs on a mainstream level beyond music.
Doobie Doo
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The older I get the more and more I feel like sticking up for the young nikkas. I don't even like none of this new hiphop either but between E DUB and MOS DEF, DROP SOME NEW FUKKING shyt and stop bytching.
Dude is correct. Reason why such people as him or Slick Rick ain't dropping no new albums is cause the game is too retarded now for their work to be accepted let alone appreciated. The new "hip hop" fan has the attention span of scrolling from one IG post to the other. In my humble opinion 
Yeah, but those same young people you wanna stick up for will call them "irrelevant old heads" and won't respect their new music, let alone download/support it....especially if that music doesn't sound like what the young heads are currently doing.
So they can't win for losing....might as well criticize this nonsense that's masquerading as rap music these days.
Doobie Doo
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To be fair they are irrelevant. They came up in the 90s when the money and opportunities to take back hiphop were squandered and nikkas like EDUB were sending stick up kids to his homey's house only to tour with him years later.Yeah, but those same young people you wanna stick up for will call them "irrelevant old heads" and won't respect their new music, let alone download/support it....especially if that music doesn't sound like what the young heads are currently doing.
So they can't win for losing....might as well criticize this nonsense that's masquerading as rap music these days.
And don't get me to compare Drake's last album to that trash ass Black Star 2 album Mos dropped and see which one I would rather hear (the answer is neither)
Hip hop culture and rap music...or rather, music that utilizes rap are not the same thing.
shyt, half the country songs I've heard in the last 5 years have rapping in them, it doesn't make any of those people "Hip Hop". And just because the artist happens to be black doesn't mean they are any more enmeshed with the actual culture or the art form of RAP.
A lot of these...shyt a lot of YOU on this very forum don't even like RAP, which is or at least should be the most important part of the genre. When you start to generally de-prioritize the RAP, what's being said, how it's being said for "vibes" and a bunch of periphrial shyt it's starts to lose its connection.
At a certain point the only reason to call it hip hop is for brand loyalty. A “New” genre of music would have to build itself up from scratch.
shyt, half the country songs I've heard in the last 5 years have rapping in them, it doesn't make any of those people "Hip Hop". And just because the artist happens to be black doesn't mean they are any more enmeshed with the actual culture or the art form of RAP.
A lot of these...shyt a lot of YOU on this very forum don't even like RAP, which is or at least should be the most important part of the genre. When you start to generally de-prioritize the RAP, what's being said, how it's being said for "vibes" and a bunch of periphrial shyt it's starts to lose its connection.
At a certain point the only reason to call it hip hop is for brand loyalty. A “New” genre of music would have to build itself up from scratch.
Bruh. What the fukk does EDUB doing any dirt got to do with what we call hip hop today, tf?
I somewhat agree.
But wouldn't Drill/Trap/Hyphy/EmoRap etc be considered subgenres of hip-hop?
Similar to how rock and roll has Metal/Punk/Grunge/Alternative, etc?
The evolution he spoke of, Melle Mel to Rakim to Wu Tang to DMX to Dipset ... is just as diverse and spread out creatively as the plethora of artists we have out now
So when did the evolutionary chain break? Some would ACTUALLY ARGUE that Dipset was the beginning of what
we have now.
But wouldn't Drill/Trap/Hyphy/EmoRap etc be considered subgenres of hip-hop?
Similar to how rock and roll has Metal/Punk/Grunge/Alternative, etc?
The evolution he spoke of, Melle Mel to Rakim to Wu Tang to DMX to Dipset ... is just as diverse and spread out creatively as the plethora of artists we have out now
So when did the evolutionary chain break? Some would ACTUALLY ARGUE that Dipset was the beginning of what
we have now.