Erykah Badu Discovers Her African Ancestry

[Poitier]

Interesting. I know a few people who've gotten those results.

Spoiler: ..

They don't have enough samples, for the paternal (I think it's like 8 markers) nor maternal tests (HVRI only). Not only that but they don't actually give you your results. I know this because I heard them say this, themselves. Take my friend for example: her HVRI results at FamilyTreeDNA found like a dozen different individuals from various peoples. What African Ancestry does is give you 1-3 of these, arbitrarily..based on perceived likelihood. You're taking it to the bank, when you may not be directly related to those people at all or have a similar ancestry. Granted, they're sometimes accurate, in individual cases.

I like FamilyTreeDNA and 23andme because you don't only get an ancestry painting, but relative matches directly comparing your DNA with other individuals. If you read the forums, there people finding out they were born via sperm donor/other men...once mom or mom/dad are forced to come clean, adoptees finding their families either thru their parents testing or via cousins who's tested.You get a bunch of cousin matches which include everything from 1st cousins to a few generations back. So between myself and a couple of other family members, we share DNA with several continental Africans several of which I've had conversations with, so I know exactly where they're parents/grandparents are from. No need to speculate on sample size and accuracy.

African Ancestry gives a lot of Bamileke results. Yet, groups that make up darn near half of our ancestry hardly get any. They have a serious sample issue, which is why Cameroon gets more hits than can be accounted for, a lot (not all) of these people were actually in Nigeria, the Congos, and Angola, before the slave trade. These Y and mtDNA matches account for about 1 or 2 percent of your DNA, whereas the type I mentioned are autosomal (DNA on the 22 non-sex chromosomes).

Actually knowing who you are? .

great post. you should take off the spoiler. repped.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Theres A LOT that goes into it beyond the mere simplicity of the marketing. But you're not taking a nuanced position to even look into how the work is done itself with some of the questions you're asking.

After examining the wikipedia page regarding genealogical ancestry testing, the three issues I have raised still remain. Why are you so adamant in defending this product? It is empirical yes, but it may be flawed...

 

[ChatGPT-5]

If you think you can pin point your tribe when you've literally been mixing with other blacks from various tribes for over 400 years, you're a fukking idiot. Be happy they can even pin point the general area, muppets.

Motherfukkers always want more, never satisfied.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

After examining the wikipedia page regarding genealogical ancestry testing, the three issues I have raised still remain. Why are you so adamant in defending this product? It is empirical yes, but it may be flawed...

Your criticism isn't steeped with the sort of informative stance you claim to have.

Two africans from the same country are more genetically diverse on average than two black americans.

And?

The point is that its getting better. You seem to hold the stance that its somehow forever doomed by its current limitations.

The test isn't even THAT much better presently for whites.

You thought Africa was diverse? Check Europe and the Levant

 

[Poitier]

Y

You thought Africa was diverse? Check Europe and the Levant

Africa is more diverse than all of the diversity of the other continents indigenous populations put together

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

I could give a chick about the thread topic, I just want some more of @HoopDreams94 and responses to him. I'm at this taco stand making a fool out of myself laughing


@HoopDreams94

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Your criticism isn't steeped with the sort of informative stance you claim to have.

Two africans from the same country are more genetically diverse on average than two black americans.

And?

The point is that its getting better. You seem to hold the stance that its somehow forever doomed by its current limitations.

The test isn't even THAT much better presently for whites.

You thought Africa was diverse? Check Europe and the Levant

I don't see how any of the sentences you have just posted alleviate the tension between problematic aspects of genetic testing for black Americans which I have already posted, and your criticism of the issues I have raised. I will touch on some things you have raised though.

a) In regard to "average" Africans being more genetically diverse than "average" African-Americans - I do not think this is true. This is for a variety of reasons including the European admixture that some African-Americans have. Plus the average of 5% admixture from Native Americans that a minority of black Americans have. Also, the mixing of various African ethnicities due to slavery. I think two people from Kano(majority Hausa) or Lagos(plurality Yoruba) are less genetically diverse than two people from Atlanta or Recife.

b) Tests are getting better but questions as to how to test for African ethnicity remain. Questions such as, are they actually Bamileke and not Bamileke-Fulani which I have raised earlier or whether there actually a lot of genetic differences between say an Asante and a Fante person. A similar question to that last one would be is there a lot of genetic difference between a Walloon and a person from Northern France.

c) If the test isn't that much better for Whites, that is a cause of concern. Considering many white Americans have a grasp of their roots or one which is better than black Americans.

d) Europe and the Levant is diverse - so?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Africa is more diverse than all of the diversity of the other continents indigenous populations put together

Ehhhhhhhh not really in the manner you mean it.

This is where it get confusing.

Europe has been so mixed up, its harder to tell who is who but africans have more unique origins if that makes sense.

 

[Poitier]

Ehhhhhhhh not really in the manner you mean it.

This is where it get confusing.

Europe has been so mixed up, its harder to tell who is who but africans have more unique origins if that makes sense.

"indigenous"

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I don't see how any of the sentences you have just posted alleviate the tension between problematic aspects of genetic testing for black Americans which I have already posted, and your criticism of the issues I have raised. I will touch on some things you have raised though.

a) In regard to "average" Africans being more genetically diverse than "average" African-Americans - I do not think this is true. This is for a variety of reasons including the European admixture that some African-Americans have. Plus the average of 5% admixture from Native Americans that a minority of black Americans have. Also, the mixing of various African ethnicities due to slavery. I think two people from Kano(majority Hausa) or Lagos(plurality Yoruba) are less genetically diverse than two people from Atlanta or Recife.

See this is why you won't win this argument.

You're hung up on what you "think" as opposed to what the data asserts.

Black americans are MORE ON AVERAGE to be similarly sourced than black africans.

Its just true.

Especially WITHIN modern african nations.

HOWEVER black americans are more MIXED with other genetic origins than black africans.

You're confusing individuality and unique-ness with "mixing"

b) Tests are getting better but questions as to how to test for African ethnicity remain. Questions such as, are they actually Bamileke and not Bamileke-Fulani which I have raised earlier or whether there actually a lot of genetic differences between say an Asante and a Fante person. A similar question to that last one would be is there a lot of genetic difference between a Walloon and a person from Northern France.

So go read the source papers. They're out there and they try to answer this.

But you can't rewrite the influence of politics and history to make your job easier, but improvements come from better studies...which are NOT easy to do. At all.

You're just trying to be picky here so I won't even take this point seriously.

If you really have questions about african methodology and you claim to have such a problem with existing tools holler at Rick Kittles

Rick Kittles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Dr. Rick Kittles | University of Illinois at Chicago

c) If the test isn't that much better for Whites, that is a cause of concern. Considering many white Americans have a grasp of their roots or one which is better than black Americans.

...thats politics, not genetics.

d) Europe and the Levant is diverse - so?

Weren't you just saying these tests don't account for the little things then tried to make it seem like these tests are overstating their value by bringing up your OWN political influences and constructs of race and nationality???????

Its like you're pretending we didn't have to go through the Model T to get to the Tesla




They BARELY have scratch the surface. The Human Genome Project was finished in 2001. Thats NOTHING.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Non-science folks trying to use Discovery Channel understanding to interpret shyt they should have paid attention in class for

This is whats so frustrating in here.

 

[Poitier]

@KidStranglehold

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

If you think you can pin point your tribe when you've literally been mixing with other blacks from various tribes for over 400 years, you're a fukking idiot. Be happy they can even pin point the general area, muppets.

Motherfukkers always want more, never satisfied.

shyt is just annoying in here.

Dudes wanna believe paternity tests but cry foul we don't know the name of your 491st grandfather or something

 

[Bawon Samedi]

@KidStranglehold

What do you need me for my friend?

 

[Chris.B]

meh