You're a creationist anyways, so of course this wouldn't interest you
Erykah Badu Discovers Her African Ancestry
- Thread starter Remy Danton
- Start date
seems like a topic you excel in
@Napoleon doesn't understand the difference between dismissal and critique
The critiques are questions that have been answered.seems like a topic you excel in
@Napoleon doesn't understand the difference between dismissal and critique
@MansaMusa just hasn't done any fukking reading. Thats the problem here.
He's asking shyt people are not only working on actively, but have already put tons of work into resolving.
A few minutes ago he didn't even know the methodology.
Don't ask this nikka what a STR or SNP is
Last edited:
seems like a topic you excel in
Oh. Thanks.
I'll read through this thread later. Seems interesting.
So his criticism is legitimate? I don't think ANYONE inferred that the methodology won't get more accurate, but the common man is probably unaware and takes things as gospel when being fully informed gives more clarity.
The Odum of Ala Igbo
Hail Biafra!
See this is why you won't win this argument.
You're hung up on what you "think" as opposed to what the data asserts.
Black americans are MORE ON AVERAGE to be similarly sourced than black africans.
Its just true.
Especially WITHIN modern african nations.
HOWEVER black americans are more MIXED with other genetic origins than black africans.
You're confusing individuality and unique-ness with "mixing"
So go read the source papers. They're out there and they try to answer this.
But you can't rewrite the influence of politics and history to make your job easier, but improvements come from better studies...which are NOT easy to do. At all.
You're just trying to be picky here so I won't even take this point seriously.
If you really have questions about african methodology and you claim to have such a problem with existing tools holler at Rick Kittles
Rick Kittles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dr. Rick Kittles | University of Illinois at Chicago
...thats politics, not genetics.
Weren't you just saying these tests don't account for the little things then tried to make it seem like these tests are overstating their value by bringing up your OWN political influences and constructs of race and nationality???????
Its like you're pretending we didn't have to go through the Model T to get to the Tesla
They BARELY have scratch the surface. The Human Genome Project was finished in 2001. Thats NOTHING.
1. Your assertion that black Africans are more similarly sourced than black americans is odd considering that most black Americans are descended from Black Africans
Perhaps you're telling me than from 1600 onwards black Africans began to become more genetically diverse by leaps in bounds. If so, you're wrong. Within African ethnicities (that have similar origins) you're saying that they're less genetically diverse than black Americans who come from a myriad of African ethnicities are mixed together because of slavery.
That individuality and "uniqueness" you speak of is still present within black Americans.I looked at Rick Kittles stuff. He's doing admirable work, but i'm sure he's still troubled by issues of sample-size and the nature of ethnicity in Africa. Arguments which you refused to properly engage with because you cannot argue against what i'm saying. Kittles is trying to test between what he thinks African ethnicities are now and not what they were in the past. His methodology is flawed. If Kittles can resolve earlier issues I have brought up with the erroneous perception of ethnicity by researches such as himself perhaps I'm more likely to be sympathetic to the terrible arguments you're making.
Then you say this:" Weren't you just saying these tests don't account for the little things then tried to make it seem like these tests are overstating their value by bringing up your OWN political influences and constructs of race and nationality???????" - This is why nuance was important. Sometimes the little things. The small things, can create a lot of problems and crash an entire way of conducting a study such as this one. Those tests are overstating value. Additionally, those aren't my own personal perception of ethnicity but the ones which belong to the African subjects these tests are trying to essentialize.
You're right that these tests have just begun and there's more we'll learn about our past from them. But presently, any blind acceptance of these tests I think is wrong. I think a Coli breh talked about his friends bad experience with it why it's flawed. Maybe you can argue against his friend and lecture to him why he should accept that ethnicity as his own.
Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis
googling gay porn :ahh:
These dna test are mostly bullshyt ...
This gene clustering with tribes is the part im unsure about, it is possible ofcourse but accurate? I would say the most a dna test could do is tell if your: black,white,asian,amerindian percentage...
@KidStranglehold whats your take on this?
This gene clustering with tribes is the part im unsure about, it is possible ofcourse but accurate? I would say the most a dna test could do is tell if your: black,white,asian,amerindian percentage...
@KidStranglehold whats your take on this?
She's still so sexy.
Not in my eyes.
If he wants to improve the results he can join the many efforts to expand databases and improve accuracy. African Ancestory Proj: 23andMe African Ancestry Project - Genetic Testing for Ancestry; DNA Test
He can also start by reading teh FAQs and source material of several companies
African Ancestry – Trace Your DNA. Find Your Roots. Today.
If he can stomach source papers and academic presentation, he can hit up unrestricted PubMed access at his local library.
Just don't come in here with this amateur assault on established science like you think you're putting us on game.
In 2013 ALONE they just announced a bigger break through in compiling west african DNA analysis. AncestryDNA Makes Scientific Breakthrough in West African Ethnicity
1. Your assertion that black Africans are more similarly sourced than black americans is odd considering that most black Americans are descended from Black Africans
On average black americans are more mixed, but black africans have more unique genetic profiles.
Black americans ON AVERAGE are less diverse than two africans in the same city.
Either you're not that bright or you're trolling.Perhaps you're telling me than from 1600 onwards black Africans began to become more genetically diverse by leaps in bounds. If so, you're wrong. Within African ethnicities (that have similar origins) you're saying that they're less genetically diverse than black Americans who come from a myriad of African ethnicities are mixed together because of slavery.
African citizens are more genetically diverse than black americans.
You're confusing MIXTURE with ORIGIN.
Big difference.
Two black nigerians even from the same tribe, are MORE GENETICALLY DIVERSE than a dude from detroit or memphis.
Think of it this way: You can't take ALL the slaves to the new world. Many stayed and passed their genes on and mixed among themselves etc.
Nope. Its more of a mixture.
You're stuck on sociology, not biology.
The genes don't lie.
Thats why his method works
Wow.His methodology is flawed. If Kittles can resolve earlier issues I have brought up with the erroneous perception of ethnicity by researches such as himself perhaps I'm more likely to be sympathetic to the terrible arguments you're making.
See now you're just flaunting your ignorance here.
You've got ONE OF US in here trying to do work on the matter and YOU think you've got it all figured out???
You're the one stuck on ethnicity. Not Rick. The only reason we bring up "groups" is to help process the data, not to enforce a label.
These "little" things aren't that important.Then you say this:" Weren't you just saying these tests don't account for the little things then tried to make it seem like these tests are overstating their value by bringing up your OWN political influences and constructs of race and nationality???????" - This is why nuance was important. Sometimes the little things. The small things, can create a lot of problems and crash an entire way of conducting a study such as this one. Those tests are overstating value. Additionally, those aren't my own personal perception of ethnicity but the ones which belong to the African subjects these tests are trying to essentialize.
Yes. The average black person WILL draw more from more groups. Thats why most of these black AMERICAN celebs get Angolan results.
I wonder why?
Dudes just wanna believe the tests aren't accurate enough to tell them they're from the Egyptian nile or something stupid.
You're right that these tests have just begun and there's more we'll learn about our past from them. But presently, any blind acceptance of these tests I think is wrong. I think a Coli breh talked about his friends bad experience with it why it's flawed. Maybe you can argue against his friend and lecture to him why he should accept that ethnicity as his own.
A genetic test meant to go back thousands of years had a problem? WOW!
Tell us more!
...as opposed to...???
The Odum of Ala Igbo
Hail Biafra!
On average black americans are more mixed, but black africans have more unique genetic profiles.
Black americans ON AVERAGE are less diverse than two africans in the same city.
Either you're not that bright or you're trolling.
African citizens are more genetically diverse than black americans.
You're confusing MIXTURE with ORIGIN.
Big difference.
Two black nigerians even from the same tribe, are MORE GENETICALLY DIVERSE than a dude from detroit or memphis.
Think of it this way: You can't take ALL the slaves to the new world. Many stayed and passed their genes on and mixed among themselves etc.
Nope. Its more of a mixture.
You're stuck on sociology, not biology.
The genes don't lie.
Thats why his method works
Wow.
See now you're just flaunting your ignorance here.
You've got ONE OF US in here trying to do work on the matter and YOU think you've got it all figured out???
You're the one stuck on ethnicity. Not Rick. The only reason we bring up "groups" is to help process the data, not to enforce a label.
These "little" things aren't that important.
Yes. The average black person WILL draw more from more groups. Thats why most of these black AMERICAN celebs get Angolan results.
I wonder why?
Dudes just wanna believe the tests aren't accurate enough to tell them they're from the Egyptian nile or something stupid.
A genetic test meant to go back thousands of years had a problem? WOW!
Tell us more!
Someone in the Coli said it best: @Napoleon doesn't understand the difference between dismissal and critique
1. Substantiate your claim about the genetic diversity of New World blacks compared to ones in Africa without utilizing results from San Bushmen or Baka Pygmies. Use genetic results from ethnicities which would have comprised slaves during the Slave Trade. Oya! Go and bring your results! Tufiakwa!
2. You're going to assume that the "groups" formed in that study aren't based off of ethnicity? Okay.
3. Are you still going to support this new theory (from you and no one else) that 300 years of genetic history created enough substantial difference in DNA "uniqueness" that African American genetic sources from Africa are less unique than someone who remained in West Africa?
U mad because there are flaws in genetic testing breh. FLAWS I tell ya! FLAWS!and you're too stupid to know what you're even arguing.
Gladly.
Study Finds Africans More Genetically Diverse Than Other Populations
Europeans Less Genetically Diverse Than Africans
Massive study of African genetic diversity | Science | WIRED
African genes tracked back : Nature News & Comment
Stanford researchers find that modern humans originated in southern Africa
The FIRST rul of any of these companies is that "race" DOES NO EXIST.2. You're going to assume that the "groups" formed in that study aren't based off of ethnicity? Okay.
Do your home work.
HOWEVER, to relate this shyt to consumers who can't interpret letters and numbers and phylogenetic maps (do you know what ceullar component is used to create these?
) groups that mak sense to people must be used.Otherwise you'd have nothing more than PhDs who could relate to these discussions
3. Are you still going to support this new theory (from you and no one else) that 300 years of genetic history created enough substantial difference in DNA "uniqueness" that African American genetic sources from Africa are less unique than someone who remained in West Africa?
How does this simple concept escape you?
Slaves PREDOMINATED from certain regions. On that fact a lone, thats a genetic bottleneck that influences later assessment on the MAJORITY of assessment people would find about their origins.
LOL at @MansaMusa being exposed on basic biology
Whats hilarious to me is that these dudes 50 years ago didn't know these tribes even fukking existed, much less their genetic similarities and differences and now we can tell you WHERE they might have originated.
The knowledge they take for granted now is what they're using to criticize a system they don't even understand. Gotta love it