ESPN 5/12: Vasyl Lomachenko vs Jorge Linares (WBA Lightweight Championship)

[mr. smoke weed]

Completely disagree and others do as well.

You are entitled to your opinion. I didn't see the fight as that simplistic.

Just as there are levels in boxing there are levels to how people get knocked down and or hurt. Just trying to explain my interpretation of that, cause clearly there are people here who want to see Loma lose and aren't differentiating between the finer points.

That's cool though, I guess Loma ain't shyt cause he got careless vs. a top fighter who was 15 lbs bigger than, who he went back to stalking and KO'd.

Breh I didn't say any of that.

You look for the differences in fights right? Loma's been dominating his competition at every level in almost every facet. Yesterday, with the exception of Salido, is the first time we saw him in trouble outside of that.

Any P4P #1-3 guy who has trouble in a fight is going to get picked apart for it. Comes with the territory almost? I dunno why you're so surprised. It's happened for as long as I can remember.

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Breh I didn't say any of that.

You look for the differences in fights right? Loma's been dominating his competition at every level in almost every facet. Yesterday, with the exception of Salido, is the first time we saw him in trouble outside of that.

Any P4P #1-3 guy who has trouble in a fight is going to get picked apart for it. Comes with the territory almost? I dunno why you're so surprised. It's happened for as long as I can remember.

I agree with breaking down any fighter and bringing post fight commentary, regardless of ranking. Obviously more high profile fighters will garner larger attention.

The point to all of my Loma posts after the Linares fight was to point out that IMO I felt a lot of posters were using their hope for Loma to lose to base their opinions off of, rather than break down what I think we actually saw and learned from that fight.

Put me in the camp with @RGR_Newzz, that Loma did show some vulnerabilities, but I felt like many were due to natural causation of moving up in weight and despite having talent advantages he did and will in the future run into more and more problems. His career pocket for best weight class is probably best served at 130 right now. At 135 Loma gives away too many physical advantages I think he has to be so on point at all times that it becomes a high risk for him and in some cases, his talent likely cant bail him out (Mikey).

I guess my point in the whole thing is that HBO and Teddy Atlas act like Loma can beat anyone regardless and a lot of his naysayers here took the bait of his hype to use last night to put him down. Last night I didn't see anything to stop his technical skill hype...just that the opinion that HBO and Atlas promote of Loma moving up in weight and facing whoever he wants and Loma will get his way was proven faulty last night (although though of us educated brehs here already knew that).

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Damn good fight.

Had Linares winning 3 rds, but getting that fade in the rest. Loma pressured him with offensive footwork angles that kept him in range to always land. Linares just couldn't keep up mentally. You could tell by the 3rd rd, he was starting to get flustered Linares also fukked up by not getting off first and using his size and reach. He laid back like Loma couldn't hurt him and got lit up. Any time he let his hands go he was effectively pushing Loma back. If he would have put his weight into that knockdown punch he probably would have discouraged Loma even more.

I never expected Loma to wipe his ass with Linares and he didn't. He looked human for a change, but he still showed he was a level above his opponent.

 

[Bledswole]

Lomachenko a problem

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Damn good fight.

Had Linares winning 3 rds, but getting that fade in the rest. Loma pressured him with offensive footwork angles that kept him in range to always land. Linares just couldn't keep up mentally. You could tell by the 3rd rd, he was starting to get flustered Linares also fukked up by not getting off first and using his size and reach. He laid back like Loma couldn't hurt him and got lit up. Any time he let his hands go he was effectively pushing Loma back. If he would have put his weight into that knockdown punch he probably would have discouraged Loma even more.

I never expected Loma to wipe his ass with Linares and he didn't. He looked human for a change, but he still showed he was a level above his opponent.

What are your thoughts to the question that Loma pushing Linares back, was that mostly attributed to Loma enforcing his will or Linares not being aggressive/poor game plan?

The vibe I have been getting from this thread is a lot of cats think Linares fukked up and should have attacked differently. True enough, but Loma just may be good enough to force a larger quality opponent away from his game plan.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

What are your thoughts to the question that Loma pushing Linares back, was that mostly attributed to Loma enforcing his will or Linares not being aggressive/poor game plan?

The vibe I have been getting from this thread is a lot of cats think Linares fukked up and should have attacked differently. True enough, but Loma just may be good enough to force a larger quality opponent away from his game plan.

I didn't read the thread, but I felt like it was a lil of both.

Linares tried early to get his distance right, but Loma never let him settle and once he saw that Linares was gonna wait on him a little, it made him pick up his offense.

Loma was just that good. He had the right gameplan for Linares. Rangy boxer punchers need space to operate, and Loma never let him get that room. He stayed close tagging him with a variety of shots. The only defense Linares had left was to punch back, but when he did, Loma was either out of his range, or stifled it by being on the inside.

 

[Mainy]

The liver shot was vicious but it seems like Linares should have been allowed to go on.

 

[Champ_KW]

Garcia would beat Loma with ease

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Garcia would beat Loma with ease

I’m probably the biggest Mikey Garcia fan on this board, and have been talking about Loma vs Mikey for a year or so. Mikey beats Loma, but with ease? Sometimes you guys deal in hyperbole too much. If they fight and Mikey is lackin AT ALL he will lose. Loma makes mistakes, and Mikey will be the bigger guy but easy? Lol. Mikey will have a few chances to KO Loma with a counter left hook or right cross, but if he doesn’t KO him or KD him multiple times.....it would be an extremely high level fight. Nothing easy about it.

 

[Champ_KW]

I’m probably the biggest Mikey Garcia fan on this board, and have been talking about Loma vs Mikey for a year or so. Mikey beats Loma, but with ease? Sometimes you guys deal in hyperbole too much. If they fight and Mikey is lackin AT ALL he will lose. Loma makes mistakes, and Mikey will be the bigger guy but easy? Lol. Mikey will have a few chances to KO Loma with a counter left hook or right cross, but if he doesn’t KO him or KD him multiple times.....it would be an extremely high level fight. Nothing easy about it.

In order for Loma to get off, he has to operate in the danger zone a lot because his arms so short. I don't think with Garcia's power, timing, and size that Loma can get away with being within range all night. Linares fell in love with timing one shot with his right hand. And he eventually caught him. Garcia won't sit around and wait for opportunities, he'll actually create them. Loma had a lot of holes exposed, and he will not be able to get away with those flaws with Garcia.

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

The liver shot was vicious but it seems like Linares should have been allowed to go on.

In the moment I felt the ref should have given Linares more time, but once he waived it off and Linares looked relieved to go back to the corner instead of complaining i didnt have a problem with the stoppage.

I can see the controversy over the short count, in the moment it definitely felt that way.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

In order for Loma to get off, he has to operate in the danger zone a lot because his arms so short. I don't think with Garcia's power, timing, and size that Loma can get away with being within range all night. Linares fell in love with timing one shot with his right hand. And he eventually caught him. Garcia won't sit around and wait for opportunities, he'll actually create them. Loma had a lot of holes exposed, and he will not be able to get away with those flaws with Garcia.

Yea Idk if it’ll be that easy though. Something about Lomas speed will be a factor. All those holes I think were there before, just magnified BC it was Linares that took advantage, not a P4P guy.

 

[The axe murderer]

 

[The axe murderer]

Not sure about these though

 

[NormanConnors]

Pretty much my opinion.

Did Loma struggle, sure, but the fact he turned those struggles around and was the stalker most of the night was pretty impressive.

Still think people overreating Linares power. Loma got careless and ran right into a punch that he didn't see coming because he got cocky, but is as viewers saw being set up. My girl was only paying half attention and was like when he got knocked down. I told her it wasnt serious he just walked in to a punch and the fact he didn't see it coming along with his momentum took him down, he didn't seem in any real trouble.

What I don't like is if Loma gets too careless and moves up into new weight class and gives away the physical portion of the fight, to rely on his skills. That could easily bite him one day.

I think Loma was stunned a bit with a right (might've been an overhand) earlier in the fight as well, i'll have to watch the fight again but i believe it was in the first few rounds. Commentators didnt say nothing. If Linares power is so so then breh doesn't need to move up anymore. Even though he lost i think Russell showed the real blueprint to beat the guy, fast hands and power, he wasnt scared to throw with breh and he dropped him as well.