Ever notice how NY gangster rappers look up to Pac and not Big?

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Again, I could give a fukk about all this non music shyt

Pac fans always trynna make the comparison about something other then hip hop. Im not saying that Pac wasnt an amazing lyricist. They both were... But I personally prefer Biggie, and I think the evidence of his influence speaks for itsself. As a
Biggie Stan I can enjoy both artists and respect the way both influenced the game. But Tupac fans always gotta take the lions share. First its Tupac was the better rapper, then Tupac carried more weight in New York. Now he birthed Biggie's whole style?
you guys deify him... like there's no hip hop before or after Tupac. just chill it aint that serious. hes one great artist out of thousands

I didn't mention none of that shyt you're talking about.

Conceptually, Pac influenced(wouldn't say WHOLE) his style IMO.

He borrowed elements from Pac.Not saying Pac made him.

Big was obviously born with the gift of gab.He had a phenomenal way with words.

Pac was on some heavy shyt.Any intelligent nicca would soak up game around that dude.

Big was a bright dude.Not trying to belittle what he accomplished

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Never mind Puffy ruining East Coast Hip-Hop for decades and blackballing
/shelving countless artists. What part of him made artists "better" when Biggie had to ghostwrite Kim's debut, published in his name - while keeping it a secret from Puffy as HE was eating off of Biggie's albums?

At the 29:31 mark of the video



"Clive Davis was in the background, Puffy was an intern, you know what I'm sayin'? So Clive - I MEAN Andre is getting abused, Andre starts abusing Puff. They start 'raping' Jodeci, Mary, and everybody else they had under management, you feel me? He gets big and rapes Big's publishing, you understand? I had just seen a report where UH....The bodyguard he did something updated on MWreckx channel. Where he was like "YO! PUFF DIDN'T KNOW THAT BIG WAS WRITING FOR KIM, cause Biggie had to keep that secret, because Puff owned Big's publishing (hence why that's the only reason Kim is the only Bad Boy affiliated artist to not have her career jeopardized by Puffy, avoiding his usual industry tactics to destroy a rapper's success in the long term). You nikkas have a twisted definition of 360 catch-22 shyt New York continually gives him passes for, as "fostering artistry" when his legacy says otherwise. He has laid generations of potential New York Rap artists dreams and aspirations to indefinite rest, under a contract signed grave.

Why do you think every New York rapper in this generation didn't want Puffy managing them, or they not being cool with him?


Rare Notorious BIG Facts II – "It Was All A Dream…."

Puffy and Bad Boy still fukking Big over life after death (pun intended), but whatever I guess influencing the culture to having every major New York rapper "raped" by their labels is "bettering" rappers - in whatever the fukk stretch of the definition you misconstrued via misinterpreting and underestimating Puffy's own agenda into messing everything up.

Them dudes be touching the bottom of the ocean

Gave one of the best breakdowns on Pac I've ever heard

 

[ThaRealness]

I didn't mention none of that shyt you're talking about.

Conceptually, Pac influenced(wouldn't say WHOLE) his style IMO.

He borrowed elements from Pac.Not saying Pac made him.

Big was obviously born with the gift of gab.He had a phenomenal way with words.

Pac was on some heavy shyt.Any intelligent nicca would soak up game around that dude.

Big was a bright dude.Not trying to belittle what he accomplished

Im just not concerned with all this behind the scenes shyt. Either you can point to similarities in their music or you cant

 

[3rdWorld]

pac was a studio gangster tho.

big was actually in them streets

Pac is the true definition of a studio gangster.

 

[K.Dot]

Also Pac was from

PAC estranged NY

 

[spliz]

Pac is the true definition of a studio gangster.

When's the first time u met him?

 

[Palm Tree's & Blunts]

Pac is the true definition of a studio gangster.

So what he made good music

 

[kingofnyc]

Pac > Big in general....it is what it is, world wide, not just NY.

 

[Palm Tree's & Blunts]

So what

 

[IntellectualViolence]

Pac fans be weird. Can't feel him cause you're not black. Pac fans where I live are mostly white boys. Something not adding up.

 

[SunZoo]

I'ma be real with you my nikka...soon as I saw that you quoted me, I immediately decided not to read anything you said because you be on some bullshyt. I did a double take like "Don't be like that...just make a counter point".

So...I open up the link and here you come with some nonsense, my gut feelings were right.

Pac fans be weird. Can't feel him cause you're not black. Pac fans where I live are mostly white boys. Something not adding up.

Who said that? That's bullshyt.

I worked with a cat named Jon...white boy, I'm probably one of the few black people he comes in contact with on the reg. Everybody else at the job is laid back (mostly young white guys), pill heads or some other goofy shyt. He was just a regular white dude who was raised on a farm. Strangest thing about him is that he was 21, already married and REFUSED to say curse words.

Anyway we were talking in the warehouse and he told me that he went to take his wife to see "2pac Resurrection" and he said they cried. He didn't even know Pac's music like that save for the really popular singles. And he started telling me how much he felt what Pac was saying and that his wife started crying and so did he.

I just sat there like

And nikkas still trying to reduce this to "Music"..it was more than that.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Pac is the true definition of a studio gangster.

Nah you're just getting his militant pedigree confused with gangsterism.

Dr.Dre for example=Studio Gangster.

Pac actually kicked up ruckus during his time on the planet.


2:09...I bet the brother getting attacked by those undercover cops would say the same thing about Pac coming to his aid.



Studio gangsters are petrified outside of the booth.You won't see studio gangsters running up on real gangsters like Orlando Anderson.As unwise as it might be


Lets not act like Pac didn't kick up some dust

 

[kingofnyc]

From 50 cent to Troy Ave. The nikkas that really put in work respect Pac more. Facts

1st off - how i completely miss this thread over the weekend

anywayz it has nothing to do with respecting pac more
its all about using his legacy as a come up.... to gain fame & fortune off the da next man (who's more talented then you'll ever be)

pac wasnt a street nikka
he was an actor, whom converted himself into a fictional character


if nikkaz respect that more - then good for them

 

[Dawunonli]

Biggie >

 

[MalikX]

I was born 2 hours outside of New York and my favorite rapper growing up was