Ex-Uruguay President Sums up Most People's Lives in 45 seconds

[David_TheMan]

If you don't work, you don't meet your basic needs. How is that a choice?

Its my choice to work or not, no one is forcing me to take any job I don't want against my will.
That is a choice.

It seems like you are trying to argue that negative consequences of your choice equates with there being no choice.I don't buy that reasoning.
Its like a person saying I need money and that person was there with money, what did you expect me to do, not rob them? Yes, I expect you not to rob someone and work and get your own shyt.

 

[hatechall]

Its my choice to work or not, no one is forcing me to take any job I don't want against my will.
That is a choice.

It seems like you are trying to argue that negative consequences of your choice equates with there being no choice.I don't buy that reasoning.
Its like a person saying I need money and that person was there with money, what did you expect me to do, not rob them? Yes, I expect you not to rob someone and work and get your own shyt.

Your assuming that capitalism provides enough work for everybody, which is far from the truth.

 

[rich]

When you buy something your paying with your life, Damn, just damn

 

[David_TheMan]

Your assuming that capitalism provides enough work for everybody, which is far from the truth.

Again capitalism is value neutrual, just the name of a economic system, not a substitute for you individual sense of morality.
That said capitalism is far better at providing for a community/society than any other forum of economic system, because it excels in listening to the wants of that society and allowing producers to respond to it instantly on the individual level, instead of in a socialist system where the market signals have to travel a bit to get to decision makers

 

[JahBuhLun]

I think you are mistaken.
Corporatism is a form of socialism, the opposite in terms of economic thought than capitalism.
Its common for people to make the mistake that they are related though because socialist and corporatist encourage it. It gives them cover for what they do you are less likely to go against their system if you think they are the opposite system than what they are.

Capitalism doesn't hinder medicine, knowledge, or development. It actually leads to gains in those fields because of direct profit motive to invest in those fields. Capitalism leading to extinction is also absurd, under capitalism (true capitalism and even psuedo-capitalism) the human race experienced the largest increase in standard of living, increases in average lifespan, increase in medicine, increase in private wealth and business and productivity. So I have to disagree with your contention from the ground up.

Someone's been reading Atlas Shrugged.

 

[Kalik]

Money isn't everything. Freedom is. If you equate lots of money = freedom, you'll continue being a slave to the dollar.

Time is money.
Money buys you time...

When you waste money on material things and not time, you are losing.

When you buy time, memories, or people to do tasks you don't want to do, you can enjoy money.

 

[010101]

take care of yourself
love those who love you

easy

*

 

[Clayton Endicott]

i told the wife that a few years ago. i was like, the spot i work for always talking about growth, growth and more growth. these companies that are doing really well always want to go PUBLIC and slang stock, to have more chips. to GROW. if they dont grow. even the original owners can get kicked out of their spot(s) as CEO by shareholders at the top.

all because they are not growing.

most people are so caught up in this growth thing. that they dont realize. its ok to have a business make good money but not crazy money. i's okay if you sell a product or products that sell well and its ok that you dont have new products to sell or new upgrades for those products.

some things need to progress. but most of this growth isnt even progression. no one can growth that often. no company, no product can. but yet thats what being pushed. They will put a red stripe on the same product and call it the "red stripe edition" to get some growth on the books. i've seen it with my own eyes. all for what? chasing the stockholders dreams. if you dont grow. its like your company isnt making money. think about that. you could be bringin in millions a year. but if you're not bringing in 15% more than you were last year. they say you're a failure. how crazy is that. This is the otherside of what dude was talking about.

I work for GM, and see this constantly. We have quarterly meetings to discuss profits, and projected earnings and whatnot. The reoccurring theme of these meetings are how we have to regain our top spot in the market. Never mind the fact that we have had record profits since coming back from the bankruptcy. Not to mention the plant I work at is in production mode at the very least six days a week. It's never enough. shyt is .

 

[David_TheMan]

Someone's been reading Atlas Shrugged.

I'm a anarch-capitalist, not a objectivist, so there might be some superficial overlap with Rand, but core beliefs are very different.

 

[MalikReloaded]

I remember reading this parable about this guy who brewed a drink. He lived by a pier in warm country in South America. And he would sell the drink to vacationers in the area. He spend the afternoons with his wife and his children. He was happy. One day, an American tasted his drink and told him it was AMAZING....that he could make MILLIONS if he brought his product to mass market. Now he had an easy life living on the water, being with his wife and children, and running his business. But the American businessman said if he accepted the offer he would have to move to America and work 16 hours a day but, he would make millions in the process. And that after trading 20 years of his life being away, he would have enough money to finally buy a big house on the water, enjoy his life as a rich man and spend more time with his family The small merchant was like I already have a house on the water, I already enjoy my life, and I already spend everyday with my family. Why would I leave?

 

[EndDomination]

In yours too but keep trying to sound deep. A lot of cats online like to say sounds good stuff like you just said

Imagine trying to get to another country without money
You can't even "freely" get to another state without money
Truly having freedom requires money in an anarchic capitalist world like the one we have here.
There are places I can't go, languages I can't hear, things I can't learn, people I can't meet, foods I can't taste; without having money.

 

[EndDomination]

i think it all depends on how you have your life set up

getting good money to do what you love is status. most of us don't get to do so though.

getting good money to do what you're OK with is status...if you have an exit plan.

i took a trip out of the US earlier this year and almost decided to leave and never come back. went to a small city in a spanish speaking country w/ my girl and the lifestyle there was just . it was like being in a different universe. the people were chill and lived modestly. the beach was awesome. it totally opened my eyes. i literally thought about calling my life in the US off and setting up shop there.

at the end of the vacation, i started to get restless though. it started to feel dangerous to chill and have life so easy. we're all products of my environment, and they way i felt in those last few days was the most American i've ever felt. ironically enough, that experience has driven me to work harder so i can have more money and more experiences like that.

Trust me, if it was Central America, South America, or the Carribean, money is an issue there too.
It may not be readily apparent, but people are probably dying from lack of medicine, losing their land and their culture to wealthy Westerners, trapped in labour and sex trafficking, etc. The easygoingness is there for outsiders, but living there: its a crisis.

 

[UpAndComing]

Yeah I agree alot of people in this thread is trying way to hard to sound fake deep

What that guy said in the video was cool, but he's being overly simplistic. It's not really money that controls everything and makes you free, it's RESOURCES, or the ability to gain and maintain them
For instance, if you were living in a farm in the south or midwest, you would have more resources at your disposal to live off of. Farm animals for food, wood for heat, animal skin for clothing, fruit and vegetables you can grow yourself to eat, etc etc. The fact that don't have to have get many outside sources for resources makes you free. That's what REAL freedom is

But what most people in American culture live in, especially in big cities, is a society devoid of internal resources, so you would need an outside source to attain them. Then that's when money would become more of a necessity to attain those resources. Farmers still use money in their environment, but there isn't a need at all to "move on up" as they say, or strive to make more and more and more money to get more freedom. In a bigger city though, you would need money to buy meat in the store, buy other foods, use money for clothing, pay for utilities to heat or cool your home, etc etc. In this area that we live in, there is an undying need to gain more money to live a better life. Unlike farmers, you have to "move on up" to gain more freedom of how you want to live

That's why I always say resources, or the ease of attaining resources is always way more important that money. Amount of resources attained = Freedom. I see so many people in Jamaica, Thailand, or Nigeria who do not need to devote so much of their life to attain resources, since all of it is already in front of them, in a calmer, chill environment, where money isn't the end all be all. Just depends on which type of society you want to live in

 

[Black Nate Grey]

Capitalism is purely the name of a economic system of voluntary exchange.
You seem to be mistaken human failure and trying to claim it is a matter of capitalism. That is your right, but it is faulty logic on its head. Fact is humans are flawed and you will have flawed humans in every economic, political, and religious system on earth.
I don't believe in your concept of god and the devil, nor heaven and hell.
As for debunking socialists and marxist, they have debunked themselves. Marxism and Communism were very open and clear failures in practice, leaving bodies of dead innocents in its wake. Socialism of the corporatist variety in effect in the West strongly since the 1920s in the US atleast, to be honest you can probably go back even further to get to its current strain under Lincoln. What has it brought the US, multiple boom busts, profits for the politically connected, money taken from the poor to fund wars for the rich and its own wave of dead innocents in its wake.

Might be time to get capitalism a chance

In terms of facilitating innovation and growth as well as relative competition Capitalism is the undisputed king, but you can't seriously tell me that it isn't toxic to the people that don't benefit.
The worst sin being corporations. Corporatism is fueled by Capitalism.
In economic terms it sounds like the ideal system but unfortunately it permeates into the social and political arena in devastating fashion. I used to have a friend who was staunchly Communist in his beliefs and I would enjoy debating him and pointing out the flaws in Communism as well as the destruction it had wrought. Though I don't care for Communism I now see he had a very valid point in disagreeing with Capitalism. I was very ignorant to other peoples suffering, the amount of vile manipulation that is done to poorer countries in order to benefit us in the West (especially to Africa) is disconcerting.

 

[Black Nate Grey]

Yeah I agree alot of people in this thread is trying way to hard to sound fake deep

What that guy said in the video was cool, but he's being overly simplistic. It's not really money that controls everything and makes you free, it's RESOURCES, or the ability to gain and maintain them
For instance, if you were living in a farm in the south or midwest, you would have more resources at your disposal to live off of. Farm animals for food, wood for heat, animal skin for clothing, fruit and vegetables you can grow yourself to eat, etc etc. The fact that don't have to have get many outside sources for resources makes you free. That's what REAL freedom is

But what most people in American culture live in, especially in big cities, is a society devoid of internal resources, so you would need an outside source to attain them. Then that's when money would become more of a necessity to attain those resources. Farmers still use money in their environment, but there isn't a need at all to "move on up" as they say, or strive to make more and more and more money to get more freedom. In a bigger city though, you would need money to buy meat in the store, buy other foods, use money for clothing, pay for utilities to heat or cool your home, etc etc. In this area that we live in, there is an undying need to gain more money to live a better life. Unlike farmers, you have to "move on up" to gain more freedom of how you want to live

That's why I always say resources, or the ease of attaining resources is always way more important that money. Amount of resources attained = Freedom. I see so many people in Jamaica, Thailand, or Nigeria who do not need to devote so much of their life to attain resources, since all of it is already in front of them, in a calmer, chill environment, where money isn't the end all be all. Just depends on which type of society you want to live in

Exactly.
Resources > All
These African countries are run by selfish idiots.
They need to really think:
"We have all the resources the world needs and more."
"Why are we getting shafted?"

Breh, The Democratic Republic of the Congo alone has:
70% of the world's coltan. This is crucial because it used in almost every electronic device in the world.
1/3 of the world's cobalt
more than 30% of its diamond reserves
1/10 of its copper
The estimated worth of the minerals alone is excess of $24trillion
This is just one country breh
Sitting on all the that power only to let White people and Jews benefit and become billionaires from it.