excuse my ignorance, but did Jerry Rice ever make those madden cheat code catches like...

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they're are all routine catches and plus everyone be saying he uses stickum. The way i see it, to see Randy Moss play and made me jump out of my seat for the plays he made, jerry won the bowls but Randy was a once in a lifetime player.
You do see that every play there was 2 defenders he was beating for those "routine" catches.

In other words, you stick two guys on him and he still found a way to get wide fukking open and not have to rely on being 6'4 with a 50 inch vertical like moss.

And that's why he's a once in a lifetime player and considered the best FOOTBALL player of all time to include receiver. By players and press and most fans. Cause there was nothing special about him physically. And he still owns every important record ever and you knew what was coming and you still couldn't do a damn thing to stop him.


And you didn't watch closely if you didn't see the multiple one handed grabs over double coverage in that video.
 

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Cats not giving a real answer but he really didnt. You don't really see him making any crazy catches. But what made him great was that nobody could cover him. He ran perfect routes, caught everything and was a part of a revolutionary offense with an offensive genious calling plays and HOF QBs throwing him the ball

so lets say he played for another team, say the cleveland browns. Now is he the a great receiver then?? Reason i put moss above him is cuz he didn't have the qbs that Rice did except for brady in those couple of seasons but Moss was making things happen from sh*t throws
 

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so lets say he played for another team, say the cleveland browns. Now is he the a great receiver then?? Reason i put moss above him is cuz he didn't have the qbs that Rice did except for brady in those couple of seasons but Moss was making things happen from sh*t throws
Nearly impossible to say as FB is such a team sport and WRs depend on so many things. That said the best WRs usually find a way even with bad QBs, see Hopkins this year, Fitz most of his career, etc
 

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so lets say he played for another team, say the cleveland browns. Now is he the a great receiver then?? Reason i put moss above him is cuz he didn't have the qbs that Rice did except for brady in those couple of seasons but Moss was making things happen from sh*t throws
This shyt has been covered already. Rice put up the same numbers when Joe and Steve would miss games. He was hauling in 90+ passes for 1200 yards and being named to the all pro team at 40 years old. At 40 he was doing that, with his longest catch of the season being a 75 yard grab. Moss was :flabbynsick: at 35.
 
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so lets say he played for another team, say the cleveland browns. Now is he the a great receiver then?? Reason i put moss above him is cuz he didn't have the qbs that Rice did except for brady in those couple of seasons but Moss was making things happen from sh*t throws
you tell us


No one questions Rice’s legitimacy as a Hall of Famer. But when it comes to Rice’s ultimate legacy, the question is whether he was one of the greatest players ever, or the greatest player ever. And there will be some who think Rice’s otherworldly numbers (aka Parts I and II) need to be discounted because he benefited so much from playing with Joe Montana and Steve Young for the majority of his career. Clearly, Rice was fortunate to play with Montana and Young. No one disputes that. The question is: by how much? That’s an impossible question to answer, but what we can do is look at the seasons during which Rice was working with a non-Montana/Young QB for a substantial amount of time:

  • In Rice’s rookie year, Montana missed one game. Matt Cavanaugh started against the Eagles, who had one of the best pass defenses in the league. Rice caught 3 passes for 71 yards and a score.
  • In 1986, Rice’s second season, Montana suffered a severe back injury in week one that nearly ended his career. Jeff Kemp (6) and Mike Moroski (2) started half of the season before Montana came back. In those eight games, Rice caught 40 passes for 820 yards and 9 TDs. Over sixteen games, 80 receptions, 1640 yards and 18 TDs would have been the most impressive season by any receiver in the league. Excluding Rice (who had 86-1570-15), Stanley Morgan had the second most receiving yards (1491) and Wesley Walker was second in receiving touchdowns (12). And yes, to those observant readers, Rice’s numbers that season were better without a gimpy Montana than with one.
  • Montana and Young would start every non-strike game over the next four seasons, so let’s skip ahead to 1991. Montana had a season-ending elbow injury in the pre-season and Young injured his knee in mid-season. Steve Bono started six games for the 49ers, and Rice caught 33 passes for 415 yards and four scores playing with Bono. After losing their first start under Bono, the 49ers would win their next five games. Pro-rated over 16 games, Rice (88 receptions, 1107 yards, 10.7 TDs) would have ranked 4th, 8th and 5th in receptions, receiving yards and receiving TDs with Bono.
  • In 1995, Young went down again, and this time Elvis Grbac took over. In five starts, Rice put up an absurd 31-550-4, for a pro-rated 99-1760-12.8 (actual 122-1848-15). Those 1760 receiving yards would be good enough for #2 all-time on the single-season list.
  • Young missed four more starts in 1996, with Grbac again picking up the slack. Rice scored in every game, and caught 27 passes for 322 yards and 5 scores. The pro-rated Rice would have led the league with his 108 catches and ranked 4th with his 1288 yards; his 20 TDs would outpace the #2 man by six scores. The actual Rice had 108-1254-8.
So for 5 seasons, Grbac (9), Kemp (6), Bono (6), Moroski (2) and Cavanugh (1) started 24 games for the 49ers. In exactly a year and a half’s worth of games, Rice caught 134 passes for 2,177 yards and 23 TDs, and ran for one score as well. That’s an average season of 89 catches, 1451 receiving yards and 16 touchdowns, or roughly the career best season for nearly every WR who has ever played the game. And, of course, only 25% of those games came during what we would typically call a wide receiver’s prime. Eighteen of those 24 games that he played without Montana or Young came during Rice’s first or second season, or when he was 33- or 34-years old. In ’95 and ’96, playing at an age when most receivers start slowing down, catching passes from Elvis Grbac, and playing with Derek Loville and Terry Kirby at RB, Rice put up numbers that could arguably pass for the best season of Cris Carter’s or Steve Largent’s career.

And then there are the Jeff Garcia and the Rich Gannon years.

Rice’s two worst seasons in San Francisco (ignoring 1997, when he missed most of the season with a torn ACL) were the two seasons when Garcia was the 49ers primary QB. In 1999, he had 830 receiving yards and 5 scores, and the next season he had 805 yards and seven touchdowns. Far from great numbers, but he had a good excuse: Rice was 37 and 38 years old. Only two players in NFL history, Rice and Charlie Joiner, have caught even 600 yards worth of passes at age 37 or older. Only a handful of receivers in NFL history have caught any passes at age 37 or older. It’s easy to be blinded by the standard Rice set for himself, but apart from one Charlie Joinerseason, those two disappointing seasons were the best in NFL history for a man of his age. [Since I originally wrote this, Terrell Owens gained 983 yards at age 37, but no other receiver that age had even 200 yards. Owens did not play at age 38 or 39.] And then he moved to Oakland and blew those seasons away.

Of all the unbreakable records set by Rice, what he did in Oakland may be the most impressive. At age 40, he caught 92 passes for over 1200 yards. No other player in NFL history has gained a single yard receiving while in his 40s.

Randy Moss: Jerry Rice had two HOF QBs his whole career
 

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you tell us

well there you go, those 80's seasons where joe montana had injuries i wasn't really aware of and that's the reason i asked the coli. But most of yall wanna be on some "aww lawwdd you should know this sh*t" bs when i or MOST of this board wasn't even watching football during that time, let alone most of these people here weren't even born. I'm an 84 kid, this should be for someone that was born in the 70's to really get a true feeling of what it's like to have witnessed rice. Like i said, by the time my i was watching football, Randy moss got drafted a few years later and i got to witness his years along with T.O.

is this how everyone is going to treat someone that ask about older players?? Like brehs, no wonder these kids are scared to ask anything about old school cats, y'all be acting like as if these players are still playing! We're in 2017, rice was in his prime 25ish years ago, come on man :gucci:
 

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so lets say he played for another team, say the cleveland browns. Now is he the a great receiver then?? Reason i put moss above him is cuz he didn't have the qbs that Rice did except for brady in those couple of seasons but Moss was making things happen from sh*t throws


did you just discount fukk'N:

moon
cunningham


i was gon add to this thread, but you just slighted the passers that revolutionized qb'n and receiving period.
in favor of that fukk'n cheater who could not use moss right and jagged't away a perfect fukk'n season.
as to why we even talembout rice with stick'em and not moss as a superbowl winner, as well.


just stop breh.....

next time, go just use google and do a discoveryzone.


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did you just discount fukk'N:

moon
cunningham


i was gon add to this thread, but you just slighted the passers that revolutionized qb'n and receiving period.
in favor of that fukk'n cheater who could not use moss right and jagged't away a perfect fukk'n season.
as to why we even talembout rice with stick'em and not moss as a superbowl winner, as well.


just stop breh.....

next time, go just use google and do a discoveryzone.


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Randall Cunningham was on the downside of his career, except for that 98 year that he played exceptional, but after that he is who they thought he was, past his prime. Warren moon didn't play with Moss :comeon:
 

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Randall Cunningham was on the downside of his career, except for that 98 year that he played exceptional, but after that he is who they thought he was, past his prime. Warren moon didn't play with Moss :comeon:


nikka pardon my anger clouding my memory.
I forget that was not moon.
Yet and still you threw two black qb's under the bus who revoltionized the sport ans passing.
In favor or part of the argument in why Brady is not the goat.
You sounded like George Lopez talking sports.



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well there you go, those 80's seasons where joe montana had injuries i wasn't really aware of and that's the reason i asked the coli. But most of yall wanna be on some "aww lawwdd you should know this sh*t" bs when i or MOST of this board wasn't even watching football during that time, let alone most of these people here weren't even born. I'm an 84 kid, this should be for someone that was born in the 70's to really get a true feeling of what it's like to have witnessed rice. Like i said, by the time my i was watching football, Randy moss got drafted a few years later and i got to witness his years along with T.O.

is this how everyone is going to treat someone that ask about older players?? Like brehs, no wonder these kids are scared to ask anything about old school cats, y'all be acting like as if these players are still playing! We're in 2017, rice was in his prime 25ish years ago, come on man :gucci:
i was born in 81.. i guess it's all about what you were doing at the time, and trust me, i don't blame you for not knowing

i was the youngest of my cousins and one was a 49er fan.. so that's what we did.. watch football, especially the niners... and jerry was and will always be my favorite.. so that made me watch even more, even though i was young as shyt... even though we didn't know it or understand it like the adults.. we got what the hell was going on



i think the problem people have with younger people is the amount of info you have and how easy it is to access it.. i wasn't there for walter peyton in his prime.. never watched wilt in his prime.. but even as a kid or teen, a quick question would get that answered... a quick skim through an SI magazine would get that answered.. a few games being watched when they'd mention their names.. or just hearing those older than me, talking about those players

so it's insane to us to hear someone coming on here, asking about jerry rice.. if you are a fan of football and you haven't gone back to even give 10-15 mins of time to study up on the legends, it's kinda disrespectful. you watch football weekly.. for years... you said 95... it's 22 years later... 22 years of watching ball and you haven't gone back to read up on or watch the highlights of who is considered to be the greatest of all time

and then when people tell you about it.. not saying you.. but people in this thread. they dismiss it as if we lying or some shyt. oh yea moss was better. nobody thinks that.. at all.. ever.. players, press, those who played with both.. nobody.. but you say it and nikkas will quickly tell you how wrong you are and how y'all old nikkas just holding on to the past





that's just like these rappers today... don't know shyt about 90s rappers and say "man i wasn't born then" so you don't have 5 mins out your life to go play a quick "CREAM" and learn about the craft you say you love? then take it a step farther and say stupid shyt like "yea drake better than pac" cause you listened to 2 mins of one song.. then when nikkas say shyt like "man pac could control your emotions through music and make you........." nah nikka you just old and holding on to the past
 

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nikka pardon my anger clouding my memory.
I forget that was not moon.
Yet and still you threw two black qb's under the bus who revoltionized the sport ans passing.
In favor or part of the argument in why Brady is not the goat.
You sounded like George Lopez talking sports.



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Which other black qb did i throw under the bus? Randall Cunningham was good but never made the hall of fame, hence Moss only played with one future hall of famer (brady) and Rice played with 2 hof qbs, (Montana, Young). Where do all of a sudden black qbs come in this convo? We talkin about Rice and Moss here.
 

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i was born in 81.. i guess it's all about what you were doing at the time, and trust me, i don't blame you for not knowing

i was the youngest of my cousins and one was a 49er fan.. so that's what we did.. watch football, especially the niners... and jerry was and will always be my favorite.. so that made me watch even more, even though i was young as shyt... even though we didn't know it or understand it like the adults.. we got what the hell was going on



i think the problem people have with younger people is the amount of info you have and how easy it is to access it.. i wasn't there for walter peyton in his prime.. never watched wilt in his prime.. but even as a kid or teen, a quick question would get that answered... a quick skim through an SI magazine would get that answered.. a few games being watched when they'd mention their names.. or just hearing those older than me, talking about those players

so it's insane to us to hear someone coming on here, asking about jerry rice.. if you are a fan of football and you haven't gone back to even give 10-15 mins of time to study up on the legends, it's kinda disrespectful. you watch football weekly.. for years... you said 95... it's 22 years later... 22 years of watching ball and you haven't gone back to read up on or watch the highlights of who is considered to be the greatest of all time

and then when people tell you about it.. not saying you.. but people in this thread. they dismiss it as if we lying or some shyt. oh yea moss was better. nobody thinks that.. at all.. ever.. players, press, those who played with both.. nobody.. but you say it and nikkas will quickly tell you how wrong you are and how y'all old nikkas just holding on to the past





that's just like these rappers today... don't know shyt about 90s rappers and say "man i wasn't born then" so you don't have 5 mins out your life to go play a quick "CREAM" and learn about the craft you say you love? then take it a step farther and say stupid shyt like "yea drake better than pac" cause you listened to 2 mins of one song.. then when nikkas say shyt like "man pac could control your emotions through music and make you........." nah nikka you just old and holding on to the past

There's a difference between watching highlights and actually witnessing full games where you get the FEEL for a player. I remember watching Jordan cuz i was living in chicago and always had the bulls games on so i can actually testify as to how GREAT he was cuz i got a feel for it, not just the highlights where all you see are the great things a player does without the flaws. I've seen jordan miss game winning shots, seen jordan get the ball stolen from Nick anderson, i've witnessed when jordan missed the game winning 3 after reggie hit the 3 with a bruised ankle in the 98 playoffs. I got a FEEL for all of MJ so as to i can tell you every little thing about him and what made him special. I didn't get that with Rice cuz all i saw was his games starting in 96 and on, but by then it's kind of like when kids of today saw jordan play on the wizards. He wasn't bad, but he wasn't the GREATNESS that older heads were used to.

You can't compare that with music... well even then, there's a certain feeling you do get when you listen to something in it's time period than when you listen to it in a modern time. You can't expect a kid to feel the impact of Ready to die, only built for cuban linx because it was something special when it came out during its time. Granted some albums might have that timeless feel, but for the most part, if you weren't THERE when it happened, chances are you won't get the same FEEL once its presented and introduced to you years later.
 
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