Execs, Agents Fear NBA Headed For Another Lockout

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I posit that nothing would change with a hard cap, because the Billy Knight's, Chris Grant's (recently fired, but he was around long enough to do considerable damage) Ernie Grunfield's of the world, et al, will still be gainfully employed. In the event they are fired, someone else will rehire them. It's like in politics how most of the same people heading up the financial market in the U.S. today, were the same people heading it up when the sub-prime loan fiasco transpired. It's just a revolving door. It isn’t apparent yet that most of these people have no fukking idea what they are doing? And as far as I know, there is no convention on Earth that can entirely protect or insulate a person from their own idiocy. Moreover, all this new-fangled and contemporary talk about “competitive balance,” and things of that sort is feigned doublespeak in lieu of the real motivation: money.


This is a more philosophical point and personal sentiment, but I don't ever think cultivating a more exploitative system than the preceding one is the answer -- especially within the realm of sports -- which is supposedly just entertainment. The idea that people think that this or that player should have to stay in school for X number of years for free, because they might get more enjoyment out of the NBA; or that players should make less or not even have guaranteed contracts because it might make the Bucks better -- is incredibly perverse to me. This is the kind of stuff that Bill Rhoden talked about in $40 Million Dollar Slaves. Moreover, this magical NFL system that people seemingly love so much and are hoping that the NBA can progress towards eventually, is built on probably the most blatant and exploitative system besides the NCAA in sports. Yet, I'm supposed to hope that more young black men become entrapped in that system or one similar, so that I can sit at home and watch Sportscenter on my Vizio and say, "Damn, the Bucks are the 3re seed in the east!" Man, fukk that, seriously.
 

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I posit that nothing would change with a hard cap, because the Billy Knight's, Chris Grant's (recently fired, but he was around long enough to do considerable damage) Ernie Grunfield's of the world, et al, will still be gainfully employed. In the event they are fired, someone else will rehire them. It's like in politics how most of the same people heading up the financial market in the U.S. today, were the same people heading it up when the sub-prime loan fiasco transpired. It's just a revolving door. It isn’t apparent yet that most of these people have no fukking idea what they are doing? And as far as I know, there is no convention on Earth that can entirely protect or insulate a person from their own idiocy. Moreover, all this new-fangled and contemporary talk about “competitive balance,” and things of that sort is feigned doublespeak in lieu of the real motivation: money.


This is a more philosophical point and personal sentiment, but I don't ever think cultivating a more exploitative system than the preceding one is the answer -- especially within the realm of sports -- which is supposedly just entertainment. The idea that people think that this or that player should have to stay in school for X number of years for free, because they might get more enjoyment out of the NBA; or that players should make less or not even have guaranteed contracts because it might make the Bucks better -- is incredibly perverse to me. This is the kind of stuff that Bill Rhoden talked about in $40 Million Dollar Slaves. Moreover, this magical NFL system that people seemingly love so much and are hoping that the NBA can progress towards eventually, is built on probably the most blatant and exploitative system besides the NCAA in sports. Yet, I'm supposed to hope that more young black men become entrapped in that system or one similar, so that I can sit at home and watch Sportscenter on my Vizio and say, "Damn, the Bucks are the 3re seed in the east!" Man, fukk that, seriously.

While I agree with you on some points however I have to take issue with the bolded. Players and ownership alike don't give a flying fukk about the fans. They are all about their respective bottom lines. I'm not made at them for that, afterall it is a business. As a fan your bottom line is the entertainment and enjoyment you get out of the league. The slavery and entrapment piece is off base purely because of the choice element. Guys choose this path over hundreds of others...why? Because of the money and the fame. You can't be a victim getting paid $10 mil a year or getting free education that others have to spend years trying to pay off. Is the system corrupt and exploitive? Yes. Fans are the one are truly get exploited the most though. fukk I look like giving a fukk about how much money a nikka I have never met and never will meet and doens't give a fukk about me is making:rudy:...that goes for both ownership and players.
 

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These old f*cks always talk sh*t though breh.. So there weren't any bad teams in their era? [/i]
Eh….I don’t think they were saying that, per se, and I don’t think saying the product on the floor today is substandard is the same as saying that they’re weren’t bad teams back in the day, the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

I mean, it’s not just that there’s bad teams….these players today can’t SHOOT, they lack proper defensive technique, they overall lack the basic fundamentals that aren’t highlighted anymore to these young kids coming up in AAU and such……

…..and if you’re gonna refute that, then I guess I really have nothing else to say here, then. :manny:

They're will always be good teams and bad teams no matter what period or what sport you follow. You can't have good teams if there's no bad teams. There's no rich without poor. No tall without short. Its the ying and the yang.. its impossible. My team sucked thoroughly throughout all these so called great-golden eras of basketball. I guess it was okay then cause the teams these guys played on got to eat. Did Barnard King play any defense? Charles Barkley was great but he didn't make his teammates any better like Jordan did?

I really don’t see what this has to do with the quality of the product on the floor right now, though, lol…..this is more of your criticisms of the players who are being critical of today’s game, rather than attacking why they’re saying the product isn’t as good, yunno?

Like, I ain’t trying to argue here, brotha….jussayin’, I agree with them in that the product on the floor this year is pretty bad and, as a result, I'm watching less games. And I'm a lifelong NBA fan.

At least this Pacers/Rockets game tonight should be good.
 

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Eh….I don’t think they were saying that, per se, and I don’t think saying the product on the floor today is substandard is the same as saying that they’re weren’t bad teams back in the day, the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

I mean, it’s not just that there’s bad teams….these players today can’t SHOOT, they lack proper defensive technique, they overall lack the basic fundamentals that aren’t highlighted anymore to these young kids coming up in AAU and such……

…..and if you’re gonna refute that, then I guess I really have nothing else to say here, then. :manny:



I really don’t see what this has to do with the quality of the product on the floor right now, though, lol…..this is more of your criticisms of the players who are being critical of today’s game, rather than attacking why they’re saying the product isn’t as good, yunno?

Like, I ain’t trying to argue here, brotha….jussayin’, I agree with them in that the product on the floor this year is pretty bad and, as a result, I'm watching less games. And I'm a lifelong NBA fan.

At least this Pacers/Rockets game tonight should be good.
Like I said, go ahead and get mad at the AAU, the one and dones, tanking, etc. Personally I love when kids stay in school and I have no problems with the league putting a age limit on kids that want to enter the NBA. But the "there's no defense, there's no fundamentals, they can't shoot, etc. in today's NBA is bullsh*t to me. Sorry that's just my opinion and I don't want to go 10+ pages on this with anyone either. Everybody has a right to their own opinion. I have league pass plus I go to about ten NBA games a year, and yes there's good games and bad games but it feels like Mike Jordan, Magic, Bird, NBA on NBC had everyone viewing the league through rose colored glasses on. Yeah those were fun times but really there was the same so called flaws people complain about now happening back then as well. NBC injected the world with heavy doses of Jordan and ran with it and everything was lovely. Now no Jordan, more media outlets, internet and social media boom.. now nobody can shoot, no defense and the play is down. And its funny cause they said all this same talk pre Jordan, Bird, and Magic and post Jordan, Bird, Magic its back again. Its all good though. We just gonna have to agree to disagree. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion
 

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They shouldn't expect to have to keep a team in place either after what Stern let Bennett do with the Sonics/Thunder. It's also the reason the Kings sold for a record $535 million. Seattle will forever be used as a bargaining chip when teams go up for sale or aren't giving the league what they want.

This is just how the NFL uses LA now. Its more profitable to keep a team out of LA than to have one here
 

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Personally I love when kids stay in school and I have no problems with the league putting a age limit on kids that want to enter the NBA.

Welp….we totally agree there. And to be fair, this is really the main thing that Barkley was saying, that a lot of these kids NEED to stay in school.

…but it feels like Mike Jordan, Magic, Bird, NBA on NBC had everyone viewing the league through rose colored glasses on.

Actually, I AGREE with this, too…..

We just gonna have to agree to disagree.

Nothing wrong with that, brotha! :salute:

(Hell, in actuality….if only MORE people on here could do that…..)[/quote]
 

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Those are numbers from nearly a decade ago. The Lakers just signed a $2 billion deal for local TV rights and the NBA is about to renew its national contracts in 2016. The league's profits are about to skyrocket.

The fukking Sacramento Kings just sold for an NBA record $535 million. Again, that was the Kings. Now imagine what the rest of the teams in the league are now worth.
The Texas Rangers signed a 1.6 billion dollar TV deal a few years ago. The Texas Rangers
 

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:dahell: can someone help me grasp the concept of people wanting people to be 3 years removed from HS til they can enter the league :dahell:


when almost all the top talent from the past 15 years has came straight outta high school :dahell:

this has already been proven to kill hype coming into the league with Wiggins and Randle as prime examples. Its not our job to evaluate talent, its the scouts, gms and owners jobs to do this. Our only job as a FAN is to enjoy the product they put on the court. If they sign bad contracts or draft players that dont live up to the potential, why do we the fans gotta suffer with lock outs and shyt because the owners sign bad pay checks :dahell: and these are the people yall riding with ? :dahell:
what makes these dumbass posts even worse is most of them are kobe stans :mindblown:
 

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The Texas Rangers signed a 1.6 billion dollar TV deal a few years ago. The Texas Rangers
I know baseball franchises are generally worth more than NBA ones. I'm just saying those were dated numbers and the league's profits have gone up significantly since then.
 

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:dahell: can someone help me grasp the concept of people wanting people to be 3 years removed from HS til they can enter the league :dahell:


when almost all the top talent from the past 15 years has came straight outta high school :dahell:

this has already been proven to kill hype coming into the league with Wiggins and Randle as prime examples. Its not our job to evaluate talent, its the scouts, gms and owners jobs to do this. Our only job as a FAN is to enjoy the product they put on the court. If they sign bad contracts or draft players that dont live up to the potential, why do we the fans gotta suffer with lock outs and shyt because the owners sign bad pay checks :dahell: and these are the people yall riding with ? :dahell:
what makes these dumbass posts even worse is most of them are kobe stans :mindblown:
Well we already got stars in the NBA and people love when stars are in the college level as well so really from a basketball fan's perspective its the best of both worlds:manny: I'm not related to a potential one and done player so them not being able to join the NBA right out of high school doesn't make a difference at all in my life. I just like watching ball. Outside of LeBron, 90% of the time these one and done or straight outta high school kids took two-three years before they made a difference on their team and took it to the next level. The only argument I see is how its perfectly fine for a high school baseball player to go pro right after high school but people have a problem when a (black) high school basketball player does it- that's a different argument though
 

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People who root for the owners during CBA negotiations get the automatic :dahell:. Like, why? For what? :dahell:. Old rooting for the bourgeoisie when you're part of the proletariat and probably will be for life lookin' boys. :dahell:. You aren't going to "improve" the game through restructuring of the CBA. You just make the owners more wealthy. A team like the Bobcats suck for reasons well beyond a "hard cap," or whatever other restriction you want to put on franchises. They're inept. They draft dudes like Bismack Biyombo in the lottery. :stopitslime:

They need to do away with the age limit all together, not increase it. Only in sports dominated by blacks do people feel the need to, "protect them from themselves." Nobody says shyt when Christiano Ronaldo is already a pro at 16, when Martina Hingis is a pro at 14 and retired at 22 (even though she came back from the injuries), or Jennifer Capriati is coked out of her gourd before she can legally buy alcohol. :stopitslime:

The NBAPA needs to go after Donald Fehr da gawd. He'd be a big upgrade over fired and tepid ass Billy Hunter.


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Last numbers I saw the MLB was still dwarfing the NBA in overall revenue. The NBA has the more popular players and the finals will do higher ratings unless it's like the Yankees/Dodgers involved or something but overall most of the teams in the NBA nobody gives a shyt about.. The MLB is indeed a regional sport but as others have pointed out those television deals are huge (i.e. Texas Rangers etc.)

How do you go about fixing that? You can't contract teams. That'd be awful for the NBAPA. Less jobs. You need to find a way to make these other teams profitable and the only way that can happen is to give incentive for players to sign there. In the NFL, the players don't give a shyt where they sign. It's whoever has the cap space. In the long run, these super teams won't be good for the league. This isn't the 1980/90's and even if it was... the teams that were super teams were in the best television markets, LA, Chicago.. The other 28 owners aren't going to lose money year after year without making noise.
 

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Bring in a hard Cap
No max on Salaries
Allow teams to cut players and only owe 50% of what they agreed to....still punished for stupid signings but you get some wiggle room
1st round Rookie deals: 2 years guaranteed, 1 year team option......4 years is too long to have someone playing for less than market value
Let teams front load contracts more. 50 year deal over 4 years - 15 13.5 11.5 10
 
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