FACT: BJ Penn Is the GOAT.

[Monster]

Created by media? Its well documented he wasn't the hardest worker. He barely trained at all for that 2nd GSP fight(I think he took a vacation in the middle of camp) He was surrounded by yes men like Jason Parillo who never pushed him(his best stretch when he destroyed Florian, Sanchez he was with the marinovich bros but he fired them because they actually worked him like any good coach) . He came into fights out of shape and with no conditioning, often gassing after the first. And this is not a shyt fest because BJ is on the the best, but GOAT? Stop it. Too flawed for that.

but where is the proof for all that? were you there training with him, or did u just read hearsay about it?

 

[The G.O.D II]

but where is the proof for all that? were you there training with him, or did u just read hearsay about it?

This is why I hate fan boys. Proof? Heresay? Watch his fights The first GSP one, the second Hughes/Edgar fight, just about all his fights after that. His cardio/conditioning was always poor. He didn't take fighting seriously. Look at pics of him out of camp. He was walking around with high body fat and look sloppy. He fired the marinovich because he said he was too tired to do any sparring after S&C. And its not a coincidence he lost the belt his next fight. He went on a vacation 3 weeks before the big GSP fight and everyone went even Dana. Thats on the countdown special. This isn't just baseless rumors because ppl hate Penn.

 

[Monster]

This is why I hate fan boys. Proof? Heresay? Watch his fights The first GSP one, the second Hughes/Edgar fight, just about all his fights after that. His cardio/conditioning was always poor. He didn't take fighting seriously. Look at pics of him out of camp. He was walking around with high body fat and look sloppy. He fired the marinovich because he said he was too tired to do any sparring after S&C. And its not a coincidence he lost the belt his next fight. He went on a vacation 3 weeks before the big GSP fight and everyone went even Dana. Thats on the countdown special. This isn't just baseless rumors because ppl hate Penn.

then we get into comparing the work ethic of someone not on steroids vs people who areon.

sateroids will allow you to work aarder and longer without fatigue.

then again that's hyprocital of me becaus e i have no proof hughes and gsp were on steroids,

althougi ibelive they were

 

[The G.O.D II]

then we get into comparing the work ethic of someone not on steroids vs people who areon.

sateroids will allow you to work aarder and longer without fatigue.

then again that's hyprocital of me becaus e i have no proof hughes and gsp were on steroids,

althougi ibelive they were

Now you are the one with rumors and heresay

 

[Monster]

Now you are the one with rumors and heresay

i meant to originally say 'here about' instead of heresay but i think they mean the same thing, don't know why you keep harping on that

also i guess we can agree that both

gsp + matt hughes being on roids and

Bj being lazy are both just rumors/opinions.

we have know real way of knowing.

I do know that BJ is 2-1 against hughes, who has 20+ pounds on him,

and that BJ arguably beat GSP the first time (who also has 20+ pounds on him) and GSP and was caught greasing the 2nd time, and didn't really 'beat' him in my mind.

 

[The G.O.D II]

i meant to originally say 'here about' instead of heresay but i think they mean the same thing, don't know why you keep harping on that

also i guess we can agree that both

gsp + matt hughes being on roids and

Bj being lazy are both just rumors/opinions.

we have know real way of knowing.

I do know that BJ is 2-1 against hughes, who has 20+ pounds on him,

and that BJ arguably beat GSP the first time (who also has 20+ pounds on him) and GSP and was caught greasing the 2nd time, and didn't really 'beat' him in my mind.

No they are not idiot. Its all on record. Even BJ himself admitted before his last fight he doesn't train hard enough. He beat a beyond washed hughes in the 3rd matchup and gassed terribly despite being smaller. Thats all conditioning. He won one round against Penn in the 1st fight and faded. He lost both times. You are an irrational fan boy. I shouldn't have even entertained this.

 

[Monster]

No they are not idiot. Its all on record. Even BJ himself admitted before his last fight he doesn't train hard enough. He beat a beyond washed hughes in the 3rd matchup and gassed terribly despite being smaller. Thats all conditioning. He won one round against Penn in the 1st fight and faded. He lost both times. You are an irrational fan boy. I shouldn't have even entertained this.

call a pro fighter who got his black belt in 3 years lazy brehs

 

[The G.O.D II]

call a pro fighter who got his black belt in 3 years lazy brehs

And what does that have to do with anything? You know theres more to MMA then BJJ right?

 

[Monster]

And what does that have to do with anything? You know theres more to MMA then BJJ right?

because it shows his work ethic. i don't even know how to ansswer your question, it's basically a non question.

you want me to expalin how being the fastest american to get a bjj blackbelt shows he's not lazY??

 

[The G.O.D II]

because it shows his work ethic. i don't even know how to ansswer your question, it's basically a non question.

you want me to expalin how being the fastest american to get a bjj blackbelt shows he's not lazY??

But we are talking about MMA, not BJJ. So again, what does him getting a black belt have to do with him gassing out after the first countless times and not being in shape?

 

[Monster]

But we are talking about MMA, not BJJ. So again, what does him getting a black belt have to do with him gassing out after the first countless times and not being in shape?

nvm, you're either trolling or too stupid to understand. i'm done talking to you.

don't quote me again

 

[The G.O.D II]

nvm, you're either trolling or too stupid to understand. i'm done talking to you.

don't quote me again

Aww logic making you upset? I will qoute you because I want to make another point since you are going on about his BJJ. It was pretty overrated when applied to MMA. He had good subs from the top. But on the bottom he was basically a turtle outside his guard. No sub attempts, sweeps, nothing. Thats another example of not improving his craft. He relied so much on his naturally great TDD that he never adjusted if a situation arose where he was on his back

 

[Scottie Drippin]

If I made an All-Time list, BJ would have to be Top 5. No one out there is doing what he did. Dudes talent is other wordly and he backed it up with great wins.

 

[Monster]

Aww logic making you upset? I will qoute you because I want to make another point since you are going on about his BJJ. It was pretty overrated when applied to MMA. He had good subs from the top. But on the bottom he was basically a turtle outside his guard. No sub attempts, sweeps, nothing. Thats another example of not improving his craft. He relied so much on his naturally great TDD that he never adjusted if a situation arose where he was on his back

Here was my point about the bjj blackbelt in 3 years: YOU HAVE TO WORK HARD TO GET A BLACKBELT IN 3 YEARS, YOU CAN'T BE LAZY AND ACHIEVE THIS.

and about the 'natural tdd' how does one determine what is natural and what has been developed through training?? it's pure speculation

 

[Monster]

If I made an All-Time list, BJ would have to be Top 5. No one out there is doing what he did. Dudes talent is other wordly and he backed it up with great wins.

top 5, i can take that.

also your sig made me