How many tracks did Quincy Jones fully create for Michael Jackson? None. Producers guide sessions, tell musicians or beat makers what to do, influence songs etc. I'm not gonna defend Diddy adding a bell to a track and stealing publishing. But discounting what he did for Biggie and even moreso what he did in R&B is dumb.
Only rap thinks about producers like this. Every other genre understands what that word means.
Plenty of rock and roll musicians have criticized Rick Rubin for basically not doing shyt. Finessing is universal




