Fake Producers

[Piff Perkins]

Plenty of rock and roll musicians have criticized Rick Rubin for basically not doing shyt. Finessing is universal

There are significantly more non-rap artists who have praised Rubin's work on their albums than criticized. Not just rock. Country, metal, pop etc. He's done a lot of shyt and if you think labels are paying him 6-7 figures to do nothing then I dunno what to tell you.



This is what producers do. A guy with full faith of the artist/band (and label) in the studio telling you what sounds good and what doesn't sound good. Try this. Turn this up, turn this down.

Breh leaning back in his chair talking greasy to artists with no fear in the world of getting swung on lol. That's what a producer does.

 

[Double Burger With Cheese]

You tell me DAWG...you were the one talking about how you flexed the plugs $$$ on coli "producers"......

I made a thread about fake producers and you came in here trying to get your little jokes off talking about money. So I had to explain to your broke ass how wrong you were. Now you acting perplexed. And you still being goofy talking about the plugs money. I’m rich off fashion not the streets dummy

 

[jadillac]

I always felt like Polow Da Don was a strong armer.

 

[Double Burger With Cheese]

You're talking about beatmakers.

Rick started as just a beatmaker, and evolved into a producer. All the legends have gone to Shangri-La to learn from Rick. He's done classics in multiple genres over the past 30 years. Shaping albums by knowing where instruments need to be, and taking out sections that don’t have the best impact for songs or albums. Knowing how to get the most out of vocalists. Telling them where to hit certain notes, how to deliver them, etc. Utilizing space and moving chords and entire sections, either to other parts of the song, or removing them altogether is what an actual producer does.

Real production isn't making a beat and sending it to someone to make a song on their own. It's being in the studio and actually producing the entire record. Or in Rick's case, usually, producing the entire album.

Let me break this down.

First off, all legends HAVE NOT went to learn from no fukking Rick Rubin. That is a flat out lie and an example of the goofy mythical aura they industry has created for this man.

“Shaping albums by knowing where instruments need to be” This sounds like the epitome of finessing. So you telling me the band or artist who has created the work of music, needs Rick Rubin to tell them, this instrument should be or not be in the song?

“Knowing how to get the most out of vocalist” Are we gonna act like telling a rappers or singers to do another take equates to some grand skill?

It does not take a genius to hear when a horn is too soft or a hit hat is too loud. If you telling someone that after they made a song you not producing shyt

He’s not writing anything, playing anything, not touching any boards, and on top of that when he works with these artist he’s knows for barley doing whatever he is doing.

Almost every single person on this site has the ability to do what Rick Rubin does

 

[Double Burger With Cheese]

There are significantly more non-rap artists who have praised Rubin's work on their albums than criticized. Not just rock. Country, metal, pop etc. He's done a lot of shyt and if you think labels are paying him 6-7 figures to do nothing then I dunno what to tell you.



This is what producers do. A guy with full faith of the artist/band (and label) in the studio telling you what sounds good and what doesn't sound good. Try this. Turn this up, turn this down.

Breh leaning back in his chair talking greasy to artists with no fear in the world of getting swung on lol. That's what a producer does.

You basically explained finessing. Here he is in the studio with Black Sabbath talking about writing mission statements and laying on the bed taking naps

 

[Awesome Wells]

Let me break this down.

First off, all legends HAVE NOT went to learn from no fukking Rick Rubin. That is a flat out lie and an example of the goofy mythical aura they industry has created for this man.

“Shaping albums by knowing where instruments need to be” This sounds like the epitome of finessing. So you telling me the band or artist who has created the work of music, needs Rick Rubin to tell them, this instrument should be or not be in the song?

“Knowing how to get the most out of vocalist” Are we gonna act like telling a rappers or singers to do another take equates to some grand skill?

It does not take a genius to hear when a horn is too soft or a hit hat is too loud. If you telling someone that after they made a song you not producing shyt

He’s not writing anything, playing anything, not touching any boards, and on top of that when he works with these artist he’s knows for barley doing whatever he is doing.

Almost every single person on this site has the ability to do what Rick Rubin does

Rick hosted a weekend for producers to go to Shangri-La, where he was speaking on his methods of production and what he calls "visualization for music". A lot of legends popped up and stayed there for that. From all genres.

So this isn't about our opinion on whatever he's doing, or saying "anyone can do what he does". Because if "anyone can do it", they would be. And they're not. He's highly regarded by dudes like Dre and Q-Tip. Both of which said they learned from him. Pharrell stayed there back in 2019, and said he has a whole new approach to production since spending the time with Rick and learning from him. He calls him a "genius". Most people on here don’t even know how to count bars. That's been clear. So no, people can't do what Rick does.

There's always gonna be haters and doubters. But the people doing this sh*t at the highest level all go to Rick. And dude is where he's at, and producing all these classic albums for legends, for a reason.

 

[THE 101]

Rubin was a legit producer at one point, but he basically lies on a couch now and tells artists to use more mindfullness or try a different incense in the studio. He's a complete hustler.

 

[THE 101]

How many tracks did Quincy Jones fully create for Michael Jackson? None. Producers guide sessions, tell musicians or beat makers what to do, influence songs etc. I'm not gonna defend Diddy adding a bell to a track and stealing publishing. But discounting what he did for Biggie and even moreso what he did in R&B is dumb.

Only rap thinks about producers like this. Every other genre understands what that word means.

That's because rap is a completely different genre. Rap is a beat driven genre. It is electronic music. Ya'll need to do stop bringing up Quincy Jones like ya'll know what you're talking about everytime someone brings up these hack hip hop "producers". Most of your favorite hip hop records was a producer throwing a rapper a beat and pressing record. That's just the reality. They might help craft a hook or tell them to re-record a verse but ultimately the most important aspect of hip hop production is the beat itself. It is not like pop and rock and R&B. The song craft works differently. All the 80s and 90s producers ya'll gas, almost none of them are moving like Quiny, Brian Eno, whoever. Pete Rock ain't guiding no beat makers or musicians. What world do ya'll live in

 

[Awesome Wells]

How many tracks did Quincy Jones fully create for Michael Jackson? None. Producers guide sessions, tell musicians or beat makers what to do, influence songs etc. I'm not gonna defend Diddy adding a bell to a track and stealing publishing. But discounting what he did for Biggie and even moreso what he did in R&B is dumb.

Only rap thinks about producers like this. Every other genre understands what that word means.

Facts.

But it also shows that a lot of these people don’t know what production is. No matter the genre, production isn't just sitting down and banging on MPC pads. That's beat-making. Hip Hop fans have a thing where they speak on a lot of sh*t they don’t know about. As an example, Puff never made a damn beat in his life. But he's produced a lot of classic albums.

He produced Mary's My Life. Not because he was diggin' in crates and sampled this and that. But because he came in there with the vision for what the album should be, coached Mary on how to deliver vocals, edited lyrics, directed the musicians on what to play, when to play it, and how to play it, sequenced the album, took out what didn't work and added what did, etc. That's what production is. And if you listen to what Mary, Chucky, PCA, Big Bub and Herb say about the making of the album, they all talk about how Puff directed the creation of it, through them. That's the job.

Why supposed "music heads" still don’t understand this, is beyond me. But that's literally what a producer does. In any genre.

 

[Wepa Man]

What does Rick Rubin teach legendary producers when he dosent play instruments, make beats, or work the boards

He got ears and he hear things *Scarface*

 

[REAL6]

What does Rick Rubin teach legendary producers when he dosent play instruments, make beats, or work the boards

 

[Piff Perkins]

That's because rap is a completely different genre. Rap is a beat driven genre. It is electronic music. Ya'll need to do stop bringing up Quincy Jones like ya'll know what you're talking about everytime someone brings up these hack hip hop "producers". Most of your favorite hip hop records was a producer throwing a rapper a beat and pressing record. That's just the reality. They might help craft a hook or tell them to re-record a verse but ultimately the most important aspect of hip hop production is the beat itself. It is not like pop and rock and R&B. The song craft works differently. All the 80s and 90s producers ya'll gas, almost none of them are moving like Quiny, Brian Eno, whoever. Pete Rock ain't guiding no beat makers or musicians. What world do ya'll live in

It's moreso because a lot of rap fans don't know shyt about music besides rap. I'd say the same about rock fans.

Producers guide rappers all the fukking time lol. Go listen to Trackmasters talking about working on IWW, coaching Nas on how to rap certain parts or when to take words out. That is literally what producing is across all genres. Including electronic music. But rap isn't simply electronic music, it's pop music. We're not talking about jazz with big compositions and maestros. It's pop music to be sold to the masses. And there are always going to be people in the studio telling or advising how to record.

If you cannot differentiate the difference between producing a record and making a beat there is zero point in continuing the conversation. You can complain about people bringing up Quincy Jones but go look up the controversies over various session musicians claiming they produced Thriller because they did the initial tracks, Quincy didn't play anything, etc. Sound familiar?

 

[Deadman187]

As far as Dre goes, this is what Mike Elizondo said about the creative process:

Mike Elizondo: Producer Behind Hip-Hop's Biggest Hits

Grammy-winning producer Mike Elizondo reveals his journey from bassist to hitmaker, working with Dr. Dre, Eminem, and 50 Cent. Learn his production techniques and studio philosophy.

tapeop.com

Working at Dre's place, what was the process? Was it show up every day and play and co-write with people?

It was an evolution. In the beginning, he had a handful of other producers who worked under him. I would go in, and they'd play a record and go, "Can you replay this bass line?" Or they'd play something on a keyboard bass, but they wanted live bass. I'd play on random beats for a bunch of people. Eventually, Dre became more hands-on and started hiring me himself to come in. It was sometimes similar to, "Can you replay this bass line?" There were times when he would have a drum beat rolling and ask if I would come up with ideas. As I would do that consistently enough, I started getting writer credits for coming up with bass lines. Dre was so cool with wanting whoever was in the room, if you had a great idea to speak up. I started bringing in my guitar and some keyboards. It was an amazing playground. I might have been the first one who brought in a computer rig that had soft synths. I had it hooked up to his [Akai] MPC, and that started us down the path of having virtual instruments in the studio. I think that's what kept me in the room for so long. I loved bringing new things to the table, learning on the job, and integrating them in some creative way. Sometimes we would show up and write a bunch of ideas; a jam session where Dre would program drum beats. Some days it was just me. Some days there were other musicians in the room, like Mark Batson, Scott Storch, and other keyboard players. Dre would pick the tracks he thought were the best, and then he'd play those for whoever was coming in. He was the filter. Nothing got past Dre. If he didn't like it, no one was ever hearing it. I learned so much about the business, about producing and working with artists, getting the most out of musicians in the room sonically, and arrangements. It was an incredible learning experience. Although it was hip-hop, Dre's just a great record maker, no matter what genre. You can put him in the room with anybody, and he's going to do something amazing. Those lessons I learned translated to any genre that I've been asked to work on. Those experiences are what still guide me to this day.

 

[Pegasus Jackson]

Most 90s east coat rap producers couldn't play an original melody if their mother was held hostage. The Bay area, down south, midwest changed the game.