Fansided Article: Bret Hart, The most decent mediocre, decent Superstar ever

[Kill Dat Noize]

Who was competition for Hogan in his era? He was by and far the #1 guy in his era, even Warrior and Macho were 2 levels behind him.

Bret's era was more top heavy kayfabe wise as his peers (HBK, Razor, Diesel, Yoko, Taker, Sid, Austin, etc.) all got wins over each other. And how many world champions Bret's era produced compared to Hogan's? Everyone I named was a world champion and a credible one (except Razor who SHOULD have been champ), in Hogan's era is was a monopoly between him, Warrior, Flair and Macho for the most part. Rude, Jake, Perfect and the rest never got a world title reign or even a main event fued in their era. How is it more stacked unless you are counting Bret, HBK and the like as undercarders as well?

It was harder for a lot of guys to get title reigns because there weren't as many title matches period. The title meant more back then.

The reason Hogan was so ahead of the pack is because he was ahead of the pack. The reason he didn't "exchange wins" with these guys is because no one was good enough to beat him. Hogan was on such another level of over from the rest of the roster that it didn't make sense for him to lose. Bret Hart was over but he wasn't THAT over. I don't recall Hart-a-mania.

If Jake and Perfect performed today they would be world champions many times over and would probably be shoe in main eventers. But because they came up during an era where the competition was more stiff at the top they couldn't make it past the upper card.

Bret beat Austin every single time they fought with the exception of Austin winning via DQ in their last match together in which Bret still beat him down. Bret was so good, he made you believe Austin had a chance every single time tho.

Austin wasn't in his prime when he faced Bret, he was entering it.

Austin in his prime would have beaten Bret with the 1-2-3 each and every time. Know why? Cause he was more over. Cause he was better.

Bruh, Vince himself said he met Warrior and created his character to be an unstoppable wrecking machine and the booking shows that. I agree that Warrior was very over but was he ever more over than Hogan or Macho Man?.... that's debateable

I could tell you without a shred of doubt that yes Warrior was more over than Macho Man. When WM6 was rearing it's head there was team Hogan and there was team Warrior. That's it. I know cause I was there. The kids at school, the neighborhood, the block... it was about Hogan and Warrior.

Watch the WM6 match and you tell me he wasn't over. The crowd was damn near 50/50. And this is when Hulkamania was still at it's peak.

 

[Osmosis]

Bret Hart reminds me of Orton. Absolutely amazing wrestlers but their styles don't really translate to very exciting matches. You don't get many high spots but you do get brilliant execution. Both guys are respected by their peers but aren't overly praised by fans. As for mic work, both guys are hit and miss. Orton cut amazing promos from 2004-2008 but since then has been a pretty boring promo. Bret was one of the best mic workers in the world in 1997 and was great in WCW but his promos were terrible in the early-mid 1990s.

 

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Man Bret carried the wwf on his back in the early-mid 90's when no else could do it. Bret might not have been a superstar on the level of Hogan, Warrior, Flair or even Macho but he was a superstar in his own right. He was the backbone to wwf's later success and the boom in the late 90's. Bret layed the foundation and made alot of muthafukkas rich in the end. Vince, Austin and HBK all benefited from him and took the business to another level off his highly publicized departure. Facts

His '97 heel run was the highest point of his career as a complete wrestler. His mic skills as a heel were like night and day compared to when he was a face. I do agree Bret was boring on the mic at times, but in '97? He was on fire. While HBK had to redeem himself after losing his smile.

 

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I like how people ignore that Bret Hart was THE wrestler in 1997 when he went to WCW.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Bret Hart reminds me of Orton. Absolutely amazing wrestlers but their styles don't really translate to very exciting matches. You don't get many high spots but you do get brilliant execution. Both guys are respected by their peers but aren't overly praised by fans. As for mic work, both guys are hit and miss. Orton cut amazing promos from 2004-2008 but since then has been a pretty boring promo. Bret was one of the best mic workers in the world in 1997 and was great in WCW but his promos were terrible in the early-mid 1990s.

Bret Hart is another league from Randy Orton.

 

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Man Bret carried the wwf on his back in the early-mid 90's when no else could do it. Bret might not have been a superstar on the level of Hogan, Warrior, Flair or even Macho but he was a superstar in his own right. He was the backbone to wwf's later success and the boom in the late 90's. Bret layed the foundation and made alot of muthafukkas rich in the end. Vince, Austin and HBK all benefited from him and took the business to another level off his highly publicized departure. Facts

His '97 heel run was the highest point of his career as a complete wrestler. His mic skills as a heel were like night and day compared to when he was a face. I do agree Bret was boring on the mic at times, but in '97? He was on fire. While HBK had to redeem himself after losing his smile.

Yes he did carry the WWF in the mid 90's to the lowest ratings and money made in history

 

[The Electric Lady]

Yes he did carry the WWF in the mid 90's to the lowest ratings and money made in history

That was Diesel.

 

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It was harder for a lot of guys to get title reigns because there weren't as many title matches period. The title meant more back then.

Well Bret WAS getting title reigns and main even matches in that era. If these guys were "better" than Bret, why did he achieve so much more than them? In fact, just directly compare Bret's resume to theirs, Bret tops just about anyone but Hogan, Austin, Rock and Flair

The reason Hogan was so ahead of the pack is because he was ahead of the pack. The reason he didn't "exchange wins" with these guys is because no one was good enough to beat him. Hogan was on such another level of over from the rest of the roster that it didn't make sense for him to lose. Bret Hart was over but he wasn't THAT over. I don't recall Hart-a-mania.

The problem with how you are viewing things is you are comparing Bret to Hogan, which is not my argument. Almost NO ONE compares to Hogan but Rock and Austin. Those 3 are on a whole other level. Comparing Bret to Jake, Rude, Perfect, he trumps all of those guys. Some of them were better at one or two things than Bret, but none of those guys had a better all around package than Bret, and their careers prove that.

If Jake and Perfect performed today they would be world champions many times over and would probably be shoe in main eventers. But because they came up during an era where the competition was more stiff at the top they couldn't make it past the upper card.

How? I mean, they are all legends and great performers, but the difference is Bret came up in the exact same era as these guys and Bret managed to succeed and get to the top when they didn't. In a direct comparison, Bret surpassed them. You sound like you are putting personal preference over actual fact

 

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Bret is in my top 5 favorites. Never will be confused as captain charisma, but he's one of a handful of guys you could show to a kid who was a nonbeliever and have them leave convinced the action in the ring is real. Bret actually made that shyt look like it hurt. One of the greatest workers of all time.

 

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Bret Hart was basically a poor man's X-Pac. I'd put him wayyyy below HHH/HBK, even below Bulldog/Owen. A little bit below D'Lo Brown he was basically Charlie Haas

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Well Bret WAS getting title reigns and main even matches in that era. If these guys were "better" than Bret, why did he achieve so much more than them? In fact, just directly compare Bret's resume to theirs, Bret tops just about anyone but Hogan, Austin, Rock and Flair



The problem with how you are viewing things is you are comparing Bret to Hogan, which is not my argument. Almost NO ONE compares to Hogan but Rock and Austin. Those 3 are on a whole other level. Comparing Bret to Jake, Rude, Perfect, he trumps all of those guys. Some of them were better at one or two things than Bret, but none of those guys had a better all around package than Bret, and their careers prove that.





How? I mean, they are all legends and great performers, but the difference is Bret came up in the exact same era as these guys and Bret managed to succeed and get to the top when they didn't. In a direct comparison, Bret surpassed them. You sound like you are putting personal preference over actual fact

When did I ever say I'd put those guys above Bret? Of course I have him over Jake and Perfect.