Fascinating book about people around the world disappearing in mysterious ways in parks...

[ZEB WALTON]

Btw. I misspoke before.

Missing 411 has inspired many fan fictions clogging up the net (coincedence?) claiming to be true.

The missing 411 series is legit.

Those clusters of missing people all iver the country... 4 yr olds walking 35 miles in 2 days while experienced trackers cannot even do that... clothes found in PRISTINE condition ie. No blood. No wear. No tear. ... people found alive do not remember what happened to them


Ill stick to the cities fukk the forest brehs. shyt kept me up all night reading thru dozens of missing people with the same MO over n over.

 

[Dzali OG]

Okay, you HAVE to be either trolling or just incapable of logical deduction, so I'm breaking this last one down for the good of the community den I out.

That's the chick whose blog you're posting from. She probably does seances and talks abut the healing power of astrology for her day job.





What is the evidence that such a guy even exists? It should be easy to prove whether an Edwin Godoy was stationed at Fort Lewis in 1978. Online, it appears that no one can verify this.





Why only one person guarding? Especially when the army supposedly knows there are Bigfoot in the area? And why is he guarding it with a sniper rifle - anyone on guard duty would have a pistol, not a rifle. He's on a fukking US military base, not in the middle of a war.





Wait - it's the goddamn middle of the night, the thing is in the trees, it's a good 300 meters away from him, and he can not only see the hair but tell what kind of hair it is?

How the hell is he seeing GRAY hair in the middle of the night at 300 meters.

You couldn't even accurately tell how tall someone is at 300 meters away. You use their height to gauge the distance, not the other way around.





So besides the stupid comic-book detail with the "glowing red eyes", now he made his story worse by claiming "the moon was to the back of it and there were no lights in the area, it was totally dark."

Okay, moon to the back, no lights, totally dark, 300 meters away....SO HOW THE HELL DID YOU SEE ANY DETAIL AT ALL, ESPECIALLY THE COLOR OF ITS HAIR?





At 300 meters away? A football field is 100 yards, so this is more than three football fields. This soldier's voice must carry like a motherfukker.





Red? I thought there was chlorophyll in the blood. Chlorophyll is green.





Okay, so it builds up forever that it's this giant secret operation with all these secret people who won't say a word....and then the blood analysis is done by some regular fukking army grunt who has no clue what he's looking and and doesn't even keep his mouth shut?

All that top-secret shyt, and then you don't take the blood to be analyzed by your top-secret scientists, you have it analyzed by a regular friendly army grunt.

And no one analyzing blood would say "human blood cells, animal blood cells, and chlorophyll." Were they red blood cells? White blood cells? Which animal? It's a silly nonsensical statement.





So bodies have been studied for decades, but the blood analysis is given to a grunt who doesn't even know what he's looking at.





Sasquatch are experts at "cloaking" now? Sure a lot of good it did that one if it's eyes glow in the dark and you can see the color of its hair at midnight at 300 meters.



There's a whole bunch of other bullshyt in there about chlorophyll, but I've done enough. The "eyewitness report" is nonsensical. You just need to apply half a brain to figure it out.

I may go thru your post later and break it down but I stopped paying attention when you showed lack of knowledge concerning the Army.

I'm a Army vet...you don't pull guard duty with a pistol...ever.

You almost fooled me into thinking you knew a little something. You ever heard of NVG's?

I mean, I may break that shyt down later but fukk it.

 

[Dzali OG]

Btw. I misspoke before.

Missing 411 has inspired many fan fictions clogging up the net (coincedence?) claiming to be true.

The missing 411 series is legit.

Those clusters of missing people all iver the country... 4 yr olds walking 35 miles in 2 days while experienced trackers cannot even do that... clothes found in PRISTINE condition ie. No blood. No wear. No tear. ... people found alive do not remember what happened to them


Ill stick to the cities fukk the forest brehs. shyt kept me up all night reading thru dozens of missing people with the same MO over n over.

And only a fukking idiot couldn't see that shyts not normal. fukking 3 year olds climbing mountains in 12 hours.

 

[Neuromancer]

I may go thru your post later and break it down but I stopped paying attention when you showed lack of knowledge concerning the Army.

I'm a Army vet...you don't pull guard duty with a pistol...ever.

You almost fooled me into thinking you knew a little something. You ever heard of NVG's?

I mean, I may break that shyt down later but fukk it.

What are NVG's I can't get into the armyvso I'll never learn.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

What are NVG's I can't get into the armyvso I'll never learn.

NVG stands for "Night Vision Goggles", and it's just another example of him being full of shyt.


First off, the story never once mentions him using NVG to see the creature. Wouldn't you mention the Night Vision Goggles in the story if you were telling a story like that?


Second, the 2nd Generation night googles that existed in 1978 were crap for quality and wouldn't be able to see that detail at that distance, especially with a backlit moon.


But worst of all.....


The Army's NVG in 1978 didn't see in color....everything is the same shade of green.


The most highly advanced Night Vision Device used by the army at the time was the AN/PVS-4, first deployed by the Army in 1978.

This is what an AN/PVS-4 image looks like:

Yeah, even if he had one of those (which was completely omitted from the story), tell me again how he's seeing glowing red eyes and long grey hairs.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Those clusters of missing people all iver the country... 4 yr olds walking 35 miles in 2 days while experienced trackers cannot even do that...

While that's not exactly true for an experienced hiker, it certainly doesn't make sense for a 4-year-old.

So I'm 95% sure that Paulides made that up.

Can you name the child involved? If Paulides doesn't give a name and date for the claim, then assume the story is .



When he does give the name, it will probably check out as wrong info. For example, Paulides claims in the book that 17-year-old Jay Toney was found 8 miles from where he went missing. In reality, all the reports about the incident say that Toney was found less than 5 miles from where he went missing, not a difficult distance to travel in two days (hell, you can go four miles in couple hours).

guy has a reputation for excluding details in his stories

Edit: I should point out I have never read his book

I heard the exact opposite. And I've listened to a few podcasts with him on it too and he doesn't even really try to sway you at all. Just present facts and let you decide for yourself.

This the same dude me and the @SlangDussainAli cat from Duval was talking about on here a while back. He changed his s/n but y'all know who I'm referring to.

Been up on the missing 411 shyt. I know I sounds crazy but I think it's Bigfoot snatching folks and eating them

Nah, he definitely leaves stuff out.


For example, he acts like people removing clothes in cold conditions is inexplicable, when that's exactly what people with hypothermia often do.

You'll also notice from that link that people in terminal hypothermia try to dig down...another thing that would make it tough for searchers to find them.

Thomas Eldon Bowman, a child that disappeared, is thought by authorities to have been a victim of serial killer Mark Ray Edwards, who kidnapped and killed other children. Left that out.

Bruce Howard Kremen is also thought to be one of Mark Ray Edwards's victims. Left that out too

In other cases, he leaves out/changes the names and dates altogether. How the hell can you verify his claims?

He treats eyewitnesses like they 100% accurate, and discrepancies like they're evidence of crazy things happening. Cops know that real eyewitnesses ALWAYS have discrepancies.

He treats after-the-fact stories from 3-year-olds and 4-year-olds like they reflect reality. You know that 4-year-olds claim fantastic shyt all the time.

I had a 4-year-old tell me that she had gone to Cambodia with her sister and climbed a tree and saw a dragon. (Her parents were actually taking her to Cambodia the next week.)


Let's break down one story - the Jamison family. Mother, father, and daughter disappear in the woods, bodies found years later, miles from their truck. Definitely creepy, but...

The Jamison family deaths don't seem so "mysterious" when you look at all the shyt the family had going on.

* Both the parents had mental health issues (the wife was bipolar and the husband had serious depression)
* both had drug issues
* the wife had been acting batshyt crazy for weeks before the disappearance, telling people she was a witch and that she was seeing ghosts and accusing neighbors of poisoning her cats
* the wife wrote an 11-page hate letter to the husband that was found in the car,
* neighbors said that they both the husband and wife had looked gaunt and emaciated in the days before they disappeared
* there was a massive ongoing feud between the husband and his father. The father (who was rumored to have ties to the Mexican Mafia) had threatened to kill him twice
* the family was so scared of the father they went to court and had a protective order taken out against him
* the family had had a creepy-ass White Supremacist for a boarder who the wife had threatened with a gun and kicked out of the house (he was considered by police to be a suspect)
* the wife's mother claimed that her daughter had pissed off an insane religious cult and the cult had her on a hit list
* the family owed people a ton of money
* there were meth labs in that part of the mountains where they disappeared.

This was seriously such a F'd up family that they're the EXACT kind of people you expect something to happen to. Did one of the crazy parents decide to end it all and pull a murder-suicide? Where they just drugged up and do something stupid in the woods? Did a drug deal go bad? Did they stumbled upon a meth lab they weren't supposed to see? Did the father of the husband, or the White Supremicist, or the people they owed money, or the "cult" (I think that was probably crazy duck tales from the family) pull a hit on them? There's a ton of possible explanations.



Here's some books about actual search-and-rescue operations to counteract some of the total bullshyt being shared in this thread.

Over the Edge: Death in Grand Canyon

The Last Season

 

[Neuromancer]

@The Dankster care to weigh in on my other thread?
Ya'll ever hear of the Tuskunga fireball?

 

[The Jewnited States]

"
Apr. 30, 1986 7:05 AM ET
WALLOWA, ORE. WALLOWA, Ore. (AP) _ A 6-year-old boy walked overnight at least 18 miles to safety through the wilderness of northeastern Oregon while searchers on horseback combed the rugged terrain after he got lost on a picnic.



Cody Sheehy found a road and walked for more than 15 hours until he came to a house, his mother, Marcie Sheehy said Tuesday.



Cody told his mother he climbed into a tree once during the night, afraid that he was being followed by coyotes.



He vanished from the picnic Sunday afternoon and arrived on the doorstep of Wallowa resident Beverly Hansen about 7:30 a.m. Monday, his mother said.



Ms. Hansen gave the boy hot chocolate and cookies and called the sheriff's dispatcher, who didn't believe the boy could have walked that far, and had Ms. Hansen repeat the story three times, Mrs. Sheehy said.



A doctor has ordered Cody to stay off his swollen feet for a few days, giving the first-grader a break from Wallowa Elementary School, his mother said.



Sheriff's deputies and family friends scoured the woods looking for the boy as Cody tramped through sporadic showers and temperatures as low as 34 degrees.



Mrs. Sheehy said Cody wandered off while playing a game with his 10-year- old sister Carrie.



After he realized he was lost, she said, Cody was determined to find his way back to this ranching community of 810 residents.



He still was wearing his hooded coat and gloves when he walked into town, Mrs. Sheehy said in a telephone interview.



''He seemed to keep his wits about him through all this,'' she said.



Mrs. Sheehy, 37, rode all night with her father-in-law searching for the boy.



''I was sort of losing faith by morning time,'' she said. ''I was weeping part of the time; coming on strong part of the time.''



Community support helped, Mrs. Sheehy said.



''We're ranchers, and all the other ranchers were out looking for him,'' she said. ''We're very close in this community.''



Mrs. Sheehy said Cody's father, a rangelands specialist, is working in China and has yet to learn of the incident."

Lost 6-Year-Old Hikes 18 Miles To Safety

 

[Sauce Dab]

 

[infamousred]

I may go thru your post later and break it down but I stopped paying attention when you showed lack of knowledge concerning the Army.

I'm a Army vet...you don't pull guard duty with a pistol...ever.

You almost fooled me into thinking you knew a little something. You ever heard of NVG's?

I mean, I may break that shyt down later but fukk it.

So first he was a scientist...and now he's been in the army? Motherfukker just types in shyt on Google and hopes it hits. Then he sits here arguing for hours. He completely ducked me telling him to prove he was a scientist and called a forensic examiner a nerd w a computer. You can inform this idiot that paulides makes everyone of these people who lived to sign an affidavit and has certain criteria to exclude but yet it can't be real because he simply says so. That's the type of person you simply can't debate with.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

While that's not exactly true for an experienced hiker, it certainly doesn't make sense for a 4-year-old.

So I'm 95% sure that Paulides made that up.

Can you name the child involved? If Paulides doesn't give a name and date for the claim, then assume the story is .



When he does give the name, it will probably check out as wrong info. For example, Paulides claims in the book that 17-year-old Jay Toney was found 8 miles from where he went missing. In reality, all the reports about the incident say that Toney was found less than 5 miles from where he went missing, not a difficult distance to travel in two days (hell, you can go four miles in couple hours).










Nah, he definitely leaves stuff out.


For example, he acts like people removing clothes in cold conditions is inexplicable, when that's exactly what people with hypothermia often do.

You'll also notice from that link that people in terminal hypothermia try to dig down...another thing that would make it tough for searchers to find them.

Thomas Eldon Bowman, a child that disappeared, is thought by authorities to have been a victim of serial killer Mark Ray Edwards, who kidnapped and killed other children. Left that out.

Bruce Howard Kremen is also thought to be one of Mark Ray Edwards's victims. Left that out too

In other cases, he leaves out/changes the names and dates altogether. How the hell can you verify his claims?

He treats eyewitnesses like they 100% accurate, and discrepancies like they're evidence of crazy things happening. Cops know that real eyewitnesses ALWAYS have discrepancies.

He treats after-the-fact stories from 3-year-olds and 4-year-olds like they reflect reality. You know that 4-year-olds claim fantastic shyt all the time.

I had a 4-year-old tell me that she had gone to Cambodia with her sister and climbed a tree and saw a dragon. (Her parents were actually taking her to Cambodia the next week.)


Let's break down one story - the Jamison family. Mother, father, and daughter disappear in the woods, bodies found years later, miles from their truck. Definitely creepy, but...

The Jamison family deaths don't seem so "mysterious" when you look at all the shyt the family had going on.

* Both the parents had mental health issues (the wife was bipolar and the husband had serious depression)
* both had drug issues
* the wife had been acting batshyt crazy for weeks before the disappearance, telling people she was a witch and that she was seeing ghosts and accusing neighbors of poisoning her cats
* the wife wrote an 11-page hate letter to the husband that was found in the car,
* neighbors said that they both the husband and wife had looked gaunt and emaciated in the days before they disappeared
* there was a massive ongoing feud between the husband and his father. The father (who was rumored to have ties to the Mexican Mafia) had threatened to kill him twice
* the family was so scared of the father they went to court and had a protective order taken out against him
* the family had had a creepy-ass White Supremacist for a boarder who the wife had threatened with a gun and kicked out of the house (he was considered by police to be a suspect)
* the wife's mother claimed that her daughter had pissed off an insane religious cult and the cult had her on a hit list
* the family owed people a ton of money
* there were meth labs in that part of the mountains where they disappeared.

This was seriously such a F'd up family that they're the EXACT kind of people you expect something to happen to. Did one of the crazy parents decide to end it all and pull a murder-suicide? Where they just drugged up and do something stupid in the woods? Did a drug deal go bad? Did they stumbled upon a meth lab they weren't supposed to see? Did the father of the husband, or the White Supremicist, or the people they owed money, or the "cult" (I think that was probably crazy duck tales from the family) pull a hit on them? There's a ton of possible explanations.



Here's some books about actual search-and-rescue operations to counteract some of the total bullshyt being shared in this thread.

Over the Edge: Death in Grand Canyon

The Last Season

He gives names n dates of every account. Its all legit

What i meant by the experiences trackers was that they were unable to track the boy to the spot cuz his tracks would dissapear and reapear randomly.

As far as the removing of clothes lot of these cases involved children removing clothes when hypothermia would not have even occurred.

Children saying they slept with bears and wolves after they were found n shyt. Just crazy overall

But i feel ya skepticism, obv a lot of these are just kids wandering off but the same MO pops up a lot of time which would be highly unusual.

I mean how couodnu blame a moutain lion for killing a kid when his clothes are foundnin PERFECT consition. No drag marks, no dirt... its like they just came from the store.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Lost 6-Year-Old Hikes 18 Miles To Safety

That's an awesome story and just proves how tough ranch kids are.

Kid found a road and walked about 1 mile an hour till someone found him. That's not a fast pace at all, that's a damn slow pace, the kind you'd expect a kid that young to have to manage. His endurance/willpower was tight, but the feet were swollen and the kid himself said he saw nothing unusual other than a helicopter (helicopters were searching for him but he got scared and hid) and at one point thinking coyotes were following him.

If you read stories about refugees in Africa, you will see many cases where families have to go 10-20 miles/day while fleeing violence, and kids as young as 5-6 have to walk, even sometimes have to carry their little brothers and sisters.

Even for comparatively weak-ass American kids, there's a boy scout merit badge that you have to walk 20 miles in one day to complete, and kids as young as 11-12 are doing that, just for fun. For a normal 12-year-old who is tough it would take 7-8 hours, but of course for a little kid it would take a lot longer and most little kids would give up. That little guy was a beast.

He gives names n dates of every account. Its all legit

Then give me a name and date for an actually impossible one. No one thinks that walking 18 miles in 15 hours is impossible.

What i meant by the experiences trackers was that they were unable to track the boy to the spot cuz his tracks would dissapear and reapear randomly.

Except that's literally all tracking ever. Have you ever found a set of footprints in the woods of any animal? Do you notice that they ALWAYS disappear pretty soon unless you're on a sandy beach or something? Experienced trackers do better because they're better at covering the gaps in-between disappearing tracks and guessing where the animal/person may have gone, not because they can actually find every footstep.

As far as the removing of clothes lot of these cases involved children removing clothes when hypothermia would not have even occurred.

The claim was that people took their clothes off in cold weather. Hypothermia can happen in ANY cold weather in the right conditions, especially if you are hungry, use up all your energy, stop moving or have poor insulation. "Hypothermia can occur when you are exposed to cold air, water, wind, or rain. Your body temperature can drop to a low level at temperatures of 50°F (10°C) or higher in wet and windy weather."

If, on the other hand, they took their cloths off in warm weather, then they might just have gotten warm from hiking so hard.

Children saying they slept with bears and wolves after they were found n shyt. Just crazy overall

If it was like a 7-8 year old kid or older, that would definitely be weird. But if it was like a 2-3-4 year old kid, they say shyt like that all the time. I was with a 4-year-old whose family was going to take a trip to Cambodia, and she told me she had already been to Cambodia and she had gone alone with her sister and they climbed a tree and saw a dragon. Little kids don't always know the difference between their imagination and reality.

But i feel ya skepticism, obv a lot of these are just kids wandering off but the same MO pops up a lot of time which would be highly unusual.

The thing is, there are over 600,000 missing persons cases each year, 90,000 missing persons cases open in the United States at any given time. NINETY THOUSAND. That means that if you look over the last few decades, you can find literally tens of millions of missing persons cases. This guy just picked 400 cases that fit his agenda, probably about 0.0001% of the total, and claimed to find all sorts of patterns. If you cherry-pick 400 examples out of 20,000,000 cases, you can make up whatever random M.O. you want to.

I could probably make it look like every missing person was a left-handed Black child whose name started with a J and who was missing for exactly 4-5 hours that didn't shed a tear when he was finally found by a rescuer wearing blue jeans if I got to cherry-pick 400 cases out of 20,000,000.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

So first he was a scientist...and now he's been in the army? Motherfukker just types in shyt on Google and hopes it hits. Then he sits here arguing for hours. He completely ducked me telling him to prove he was a scientist and called a forensic examiner a nerd w a computer. You can inform this idiot that paulides makes everyone of these people who lived to sign an affidavit and has certain criteria to exclude but yet it can't be real because he simply says so. That's the type of person you simply can't debate with.

I said I was in the army? Stop making things up. People who don't have reading comprehension probably shouldn't be complaining about difficulties debating with others.

 

[CurrencyChase]

I seen the documentary and that shyt was ass..Waste of time..

 

[Alfred0Santana]

Only half way through the thread but very interesting. All this type of shyt interest me.