Fascinating book about people around the world disappearing in mysterious ways in parks...

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That's an awesome story and just proves how tough ranch kids are.

Kid found a road and walked about 1 mile an hour till someone found him. That's not a fast pace at all, that's a damn slow pace, the kind you'd expect a kid that young to have to manage. His endurance/willpower was tight, but the feet were swollen and the kid himself said he saw nothing unusual other than a helicopter (helicopters were searching for him but he got scared and hid) and at one point thinking coyotes were following him.

If you read stories about refugees in Africa, you will see many cases where families have to go 10-20 miles/day while fleeing violence, and kids as young as 5-6 have to walk, even sometimes have to carry their little brothers and sisters.

Even for comparatively weak-ass American kids, there's a boy scout merit badge that you have to walk 20 miles in one day to complete, and kids as young as 11-12 are doing that, just for fun. For a normal 12-year-old who is tough it would take 7-8 hours, but of course for a little kid it would take a lot longer and most little kids would give up. That little guy was a beast.







Then give me a name and date for an actually impossible one. No one thinks that walking 18 miles in 15 hours is impossible.






Except that's literally all tracking ever. Have you ever found a set of footprints in the woods of any animal? Do you notice that they ALWAYS disappear pretty soon unless you're on a sandy beach or something? Experienced trackers do better because they're better at covering the gaps in-between disappearing tracks and guessing where the animal/person may have gone, not because they can actually find every footstep.






The claim was that people took their clothes off in cold weather. Hypothermia can happen in ANY cold weather in the right conditions, especially if you are hungry, use up all your energy, stop moving or have poor insulation. "Hypothermia can occur when you are exposed to cold air, water, wind, or rain. Your body temperature can drop to a low level at temperatures of 50°F (10°C) or higher in wet and windy weather."

If, on the other hand, they took their cloths off in warm weather, then they might just have gotten warm from hiking so hard.





If it was like a 7-8 year old kid or older, that would definitely be weird. But if it was like a 2-3-4 year old kid, they say shyt like that all the time. I was with a 4-year-old whose family was going to take a trip to Cambodia, and she told me she had already been to Cambodia and she had gone alone with her sister and they climbed a tree and saw a dragon. Little kids don't always know the difference between their imagination and reality.






The thing is, there are over 600,000 missing persons cases each year, 90,000 missing persons cases open in the United States at any given time. NINETY THOUSAND. That means that if you look over the last few decades, you can find literally tens of millions of missing persons cases. This guy just picked 400 cases that fit his agenda, probably about 0.0001% of the total, and claimed to find all sorts of patterns. If you cherry-pick 400 examples out of 20,000,000 cases, you can make up whatever random M.O. you want to.

I could probably make it look like every missing person was a left-handed Black child whose name started with a J and who was missing for exactly 4-5 hours that didn't shed a tear when he was finally found by a rescuer wearing blue jeans if I got to cherry-pick 400 cases out of 20,000,000.
If you watch the movie (123movies) you will see all the names and the parents and entire story 35 miles over 2 days in rough terrain for a 5 yr old is a lot.


What do you say about people searching same areas multiple times (5-9-12 times) and then prostine clothing is found right in the sight in front of everyone. Clear as day. Clothes folded perfectly.


I understand theres thousands of missing people but this guy is only looking at certain sections of people missing.

Its actually thousands of examples since the 1850 and he is continually finding more and more all iver the world and went from usa to uk to canada to australia and finds the same UNIQUE clustering around national parks ONLY.

Hes not going thru nyc missing persons, hes going through missing persons at national parks. He is ruling out aninal attacks or known human foul play. Its not like hes finding 30k missing people at national parks and finding 400 as you say... hes fibding 2000 missing people and finding similar circumstances in 75% of cases. UNKNOWN reasons at that. All known reasons of dissapearance (cat bear drowning etc) arent even considered.

Did you read any ofbthis hy chance. Youre giving me an "answer" for every question and the fact is there are no answers yet you somehow have an answer for everythinf.


This is the opinion of search and reacue officers, fbi, police, surrounding populations...

Like i said before some people are using THIS book to create a buncha spooky nonsense ( staircases in forest) but all these cases are real.


Why was special forcws brought in to find a boy... alone for a week... no help from search and rescue.


And these kids arent "ranch kids". They are camping vacations...


What about supposed cougars killing a kid but zero blood found on his clothes. If the animal woulda ttacked the kid (in the movie im not getting dates it seems like you arent really intereste as is) it would have attacked either his neck (no blood found in any of these cases and none on the boys coat) or tore into his belly (no tears whatsoever in his clothes)....

The top of his skull and a tooth were placed in plain sight 4 years after tye search in an area searched dozens of times.


Something isnt quite right in these cases.

I advise you to read. The thing is the author makes NOOOOO attempt to try and label these situations as supernatural or killers or anything. He is an ex cop who is using the same techniquesbthey use to catch serial killers by finding similarities in cases which are out of the norm. It just so happens theres so many mysteries that its almost becoming the norm.

But he doesnt label any of these dissapearances at all and dowsnt even attempt to sway your opinion. Its just eveeyone can see something is up and noone has appeently wanted to talk about it.

WHY THE fukk WOULDNT THE PARKS SERIVE KEEP A LIST OF MISSING PEOPLE IN PARKS?? Why is it just 10 day news and we forget about it while kidnappings in citys never end... people are connecting dots, whether those dots are there are up to each of us the author is literally just giving the facts of each case.
 

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What do you say about people searching same areas multiple times (5-9-12 times) and then prostine clothing is found right in the sight in front of everyone. Clear as day. Clothes folded perfectly.

Think critically about what you are saying. Why do people search the same area 5-9-12 times? Because they KNOW that they miss 90% of what might be there. You can be 10 feet off the trail and never be seen if the brush is thick. Missing persons sometimes hide, especially little kids. People with hypothermia try to dig down. Lost people wandering around leave the searched area and double back. There's a lot of reasons to have missed someone in an already-searched area.

What do YOU say about it? The most reasonable explanations are that a missing person was acting weird or a kidnapper/murderer was acting weird. You try to get any other explanation and it makes bigger holes, not smaller ones. (Like why Bigfoot be folding up clothes like that?)




Its actually thousands of examples since the 1850 and he is continually finding more and more all iver the world and went from usa to uk to canada to australia and finds the same UNIQUE clustering around national parks ONLY.

Um, aren't National Parks places with tons of wilderness along with tons of inexperienced hikers? Sounds like the ideal place for people to get lost.

Again, think critically. NP's are popular with inexperienced people, but also remote. Therefore likely for missing persons.

Are NP's special to Bigfoot? Special to UFO's? Special to murderers? None of that would make sense at all.



Hes not going thru nyc missing persons, hes going through missing persons at national parks.

Wait, he's only going through National Parks, then finds unique clustering around National Parks? What a surprise!

And you're still WAY underestimating how many people go missing in these parks. There are books on missing people in Yosemite and the Grand Canyon, and each one alone has had THOUSANDS of missing persons cases. He's still cherry-picking the ones he wants to.



He is ruling out aninal attacks or known human foul play.

He's claiming to rule them out. I already gave an example of him using two cases that the police believe were taken by a known serial killer in the area at the time.



Its not like hes finding 30k missing people at national parks and finding 400 as you say... hes fibding 2000 missing people and finding similar circumstances in 75% of cases. UNKNOWN reasons at that. All known reasons of dissapearance (cat bear drowning etc) arent even considered.

No, there's been 2000 missing people at Yosemite alone. And he's not just taking national parks because he has "The state of Pennsylvania" and other random stuff like that in his clusters (and lies by including two Maryland cases in his Pennsylvania cluster). And to claim they are "similar circumstances" is ridiculous - the connections are vague as hell and are NOT found in 75% of cases except when they're so arbitrary that you'd see them everywhere. I mean, "berries were in the area", in the woods, serious?



This is the opinion of search and reacue officers, fbi, police, surrounding populations...

No it's not. The vast majority of search and rescue officers think it is crock. Of course there are crazy people in every profession who will believe anything.



Why was special forcws brought in to find a boy... alone for a week... no help from search and rescue.

It was a lie that there was no help from search and rescue - if you look online you can see extensive documentation that special forces and search and rescue collaborated completely on the search. Search and rescue were brought in because it was a giant 500,000+ acre park with difficult terrain, there was a special forces base close by, and they needed all the search help they could get. Special forces are expert at looking for people in difficult terrain.



And these kids arent "ranch kids". They are camping vacations...

Then give me an example of a kid who wasn't a ranch kid who walked some unbelievable distance. The example I was given, a 6-year-old boy walking a very believable 18 miles in 15 hours on a clear dirt road, WAS a ranch kid.



What about supposed cougars killing a kid but zero blood found on his clothes. If the animal woulda ttacked the kid (in the movie im not getting dates it seems like you arent really intereste as is) it would have attacked either his neck (no blood found in any of these cases and none on the boys coat) or tore into his belly (no tears whatsoever in his clothes)....

Give me the name so I can research the case. One way for a cougar to kill is to pounce from behind and hit the victim in the head with enough force that it breaks the neck, so there's not necessarily a lot of blood. But then the cougar would feed, of course. However, children's deaths are rarely attributed to cougars, so I'd like to see a name before I believe that that's really what the authorities said.



The top of his skull and a tooth were placed in plain sight 4 years after tye search in an area searched dozens of times.

Why would they have searched the area "dozens of times" if they were so confident that they had already searched it perfectly. USE YOUR CRITICAL THINKING. No one re-searches an area unless they think there's a real chance they might have missed something. Not to mention that the body could have been dumped after the search, or covered in dirt that washed away later, or any number of explanations.




I advise you to read. The thing is the author makes NOOOOO attempt to try and label these situations as supernatural or killers or anything.

Oh, sure, he just sells the books out of his Bigfoot website side-by-side with his Bigfoot books and advertises them on all the paranormal radio shows and websites.



He is an ex cop who is using the same techniquesbthey use to catch serial killers by finding similarities in cases which are out of the norm. It just so happens theres so many mysteries that its almost becoming the norm.

Are those the same techniques by which he proved the existence of Bigfoot?

And he's a disgraced ex-cop who was forced to retire early when he was found to be running a scam and criminal charges were brought. He never did Search and Rescue and I doubt he ever caught a serial killer.



WHY THE fukk WOULDNT THE PARKS SERIVE KEEP A LIST OF MISSING PEOPLE IN PARKS??

USE YOUR CRITICAL THINKING. What the hell would be the possible good for some master list of "all persons missing in all national parks" when the parks effectively are unrelated to each other? Each park keeps it's own list, and if the park is well-managed, those lists are very detailed. You can read entire books about the missing persons cases in Yosemite, or the Grand Canyon, and the authors of those books were able to get extensive information from the parks.



If you watch the movie (123movies) you will see all the names and the parents and entire story 35 miles over 2 days in rough terrain for a 5 yr old is a lot.

I ain't gonna watch the whole movie to get a name. Get me the name so I can do the research if you really want to make a point with it. Nameless stories mean nothing.
 

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I believe Bigfoot once existed as a different type of humanoid but not in our time. The shyt is basically a cac know as a Neanderthal.

As for the forest I most definitely believe the supernatural aspect to forests. I mean the natives use to talk about that shyt all the time.
 

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So I'm gonna revisit this thread when I get off. me and sleep won't be homies tonight.:sadcam:

Beginning of thread had me like :ohhh::lupe::sadcam:

Then it got derailed quick and had me :russell:

This aint a debate thread, let us eat and hear about this shyt, some of us find it interesting...i remember back acouple years back there was a ghost/paranormal thread somewhere on here and that shyt was :whoa::lupe: X1000000

Edit: Almost forgot about that "Deep Web" thread in JBO too, shyt was :picard::feedme::gucci::feedme:
:dwillhuh::feedme:
:lupe::feedme:
:sitdown:....:hubie::hubie:
 

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It's kinda how it's a waste of time to debate with a white supremacist. Go check a cac site concerning the killing of a black guy by police. They attempt to logic away even the most illogical.

In the Philando case they say Philando said he's pulling the gun out. Or frankly, he didn't follow orders. Even if video shows otherwise.

In the Trayvon case they rationalise that Trayvon must have attacked George. That the teen beat that grown man within an inch of his life and George had no choice but to shoot.

Observe any such case and you will see illogical rationale. I just noticed hard body, dude is a "scientist". It's useless engaging these types in anything that's not "peer reviewed". Anything outside the box. This nikka if black more than likely will be a c00n too.

I wish I had a 411 book infront me so I could list some of the cases. So you all could see how this guy will come with the, "There's nothing to see here, move along, I'm a scientist."

Actually lemme see if I can find one to post...
 

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I dont think the era has shyt to do with it, they're still discovering large Apes even up to today. Go look up the Bili Ape, they just discovered that in the last 20 or so years. shyt fukking eats lions breh, and up until recently it was the same type of stuff, just rumors and crazy stories of giant Chimpanzees that hunt apex predators told by wacked out hillbilly Africans in the middle of nowhere.

Can't compare two different species either. If Bigfoot is real its clearly smarter than a gorilla, and what if its just as smart or smarter than humans? It damn sure is stronger and faster than us. If a Chimp can tear a grown man limb from limb what you think a 9 foot tall version of that will do? And the same way you know your hood like the back of your hand, that's how it knows its woods. Some dudes from another area cant try and box you in cuz you know where all the cuts, angles and hiding spots at. Same premise out in them woods breh


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Shame it got a bit derailed.

Anyways there was once an incident with two actors and their adopted child. They were in the woods and the kid was screaming. A hush up occured. Their excuse was the kid was defying a timeout. For what? No logical explanation made, story hushed up.

Demonic things happen there.







https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...ggcMAA&usg=AFQjCNGsJGBf0o5veUILKqdKSRCEiJFX3A


What's demonic about this incident


White people discipline by giving timeouts, kid was screaming for attention and a person thought the child was in danger and called the authorities
 
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Timeout for what? Why were they both trying to cover up things. Hiding the kid from the hiker and their delayed response time to the media. This article is the only one available can't find others. Bias is strong with it.
White people hardly discipline kids:mjpls:This black child boy now is dressed as a girl, always.




What's demonic about this incident



White people discipline by giving timeouts, kid was screaming for attention and a person thought the child was in danger and called the authorities
 

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Timeout for what? Why were they both trying to cover up things. Hiding the kid from the hiker and their delayed response time to the media. This article is the only one available can't find others. Bias is strong with it.
White people hardly discipline kids:mjpls:This black child boy now is dressed as a girl, always.


really White people dont put their kids in timeouts? :stopitslime:


so thats not something they're known for


you see a random woman filming and approaching your kid and you wont tell her to back away?

trying to read too much into a random incident just like the writer of the book
 
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I wrote discipline. A timeout isn't really discipline in a broad sense to me. It is a form but really.

They get pictured and filmed daily as movie stars it comes with the territory.

Two adults in the woods hiding a black kid screaming will always be suspect to me.

Nothing was random about that incisident.Shared my view, do not understand why you wish to minimise it as random. I'll leave it there .
 

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I wrote discipline. A timeout isn't really discipline in a broad sense to me. It is a form but really.

They get pictured and filmed daily as movie stars it comes with the territory.

Two adults in the woods hiding a black kid screaming will always be suspect to me.

Nothing was random about that incisident.Shared my view, do not understand why you wish to minimise it as random. I'll leave it there .


and I wrote "White people discipline by giving timeouts" which is all they did

they get pictured and filmed and it goes with the territory but they feel their kids are off limits

they werent in the woods but a tourist hiking area

you added this story to the tread as if it somehow confirms something sinister in the woods when its clearly a completely non-issue

its ok @Skrt Angle we'll agree to disagree but I still feel there is nothing about this particular story
 
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@porque you can disagree. That is fine. Like mentioned before it doesn't add up. I will reiterate that it is sinister and all can do their research.

How much are they paying you? Let's not derail this thread by :cape:so hard.
 

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The Lowe Files[/a], in the Ozarks.

The reality show follows Lowe and his two teenage sons, Matthew and John Owen, as they travel around the country investigating mysterious phenomena and paranormal activity.

Entertainment Weekly, Lowe revealed that he came into contact with an apelike creature in the woods while filming the show. He told the magazine, “We had an incredible encounter with what locals call the ‘wood ape,’ which is in the Ozark Mountains. I’m fully aware that I sound like a crazy, Hollywood kook right now.”" data-reactid="29" style="margin-bottom: 1em; color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px;">In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, Lowe revealed that he came into contact with an apelike creature in the woods while filming the show. He told the magazine, “We had an incredible encounter with what locals call the ‘wood ape,’ which is in the Ozark Mountains. I’m fully aware that I sound like a crazy, Hollywood kook right now.”

While it might sound a little crazy, Lowe said that the encounter left him genuinely terrified and fearing for his life: “I was lying on the ground thinking I was going to be killed.”
 
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