FBA Bishop Mauled By Angry Kenyans For Telling Them Jesus Was Black

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I actually own several businesses in Nigeria as well and have one that operates in multiple countries within Africa. I actually live here (in Nigeria) most of the year if not entirely or live in other parts of Africa at any given time. That said, I don't care about your backstory since it does not discount the fact that you are out here backing bullshyt that has been proven untrue.

My backstory kills your axe to grind bs as it makes no sense to be here if I felt such a way.
The mentality has no bearing on this argument because that was not the point being contended so stop trying to change the subject. Plus he is just an entertainer.

Its disingenuous to say hes just an entertainer knowing his mom was a STAUNCH anti-colonialist activist called Nigeria’s ‘lioness of Lisabi.’
She led protest marches of up to 10,000 women. She drove the creation of the Nigerian Women’s Union and lobbied for the right to vote. The Nigerian police threw her off a second floor balcony in her late 70s killing her. Fela was not just an “entertainer” he was the son of one of Nigeria’s powerful activists. His cousin is Wole Soyinka. Fela grew up in a activist family and was more in tune and observant to Black liberation than 99.9% of Nigerians and THAT’S who you are making out to be “just an entertainer”? :camby: GTFOH. His music still speaks to the ills of Nigeria because of his upbringing and his experiences. And thats who you are downplaying when he spoke on Africans lacking a pride that it took others outside the continent to inspire them. We can go a step further to where after he got with his Black Panther girlfriend who put him onto the writings of Martin Luther King, Jr., Kwame Ture, Nikki Giovanni, The Last Poets, Jesse Jackson, Nina Simone, Eldridge Cleaver, Angela Davis, and, Malcolm X, he was able to draw parallels between the effects of American racism that stemmed from generations of slavery and the colonial racism that he experienced in Nigeria. in his own words he said, unlike people in Nigeria he saw that black American were unabashedly confronting the systems of black oppression, instead of embracing it. Its not a super power. Proximity to the cruelest oyinbos on earth will create a rebellious people from Haiti to the US.

And to show you that the seeing Black Americans on 125th street Fela mentioned wasnt pulled out his has, Ghana’s President Kwame Nkrumah had the same experience 20 years earlier. Harlem was the world’s Black Nationalism epicenter. Kwame’s mentor was Black historian John Henrik Clark (my dad’s professor at Hunter) via John’s words about Kwame’s time in Black America

These evenings were a vital part of Kwame Nkrumah's American education. He was going to a university – the university of the Harlem Streets. This was no ordinary time and these street speakers were no ordinary men ...The streets of Harlem were open forums, presided over [by] master speakers like Arthur Reed and his protege Ira Kemp. The young Carlos Cook [sic], founder of the Garvey oriented African Pioneer Movement was on the scene, also bringing a nightly message to his street followers. Occasionally Suji Abdul Hamid [sic], a champion of Harlem labour, held a night rally and demanded more jobs for blacks in their own community ...This is part of the drama on the Harlem streets as the student Kwame Nkrumah walked and watched.

All these dudes looked to Harlem as the source of Black liberation. Most Africa did NOT have the strain of militancy that came out it Harlem, and many African activists viewed Harlem as a source. In his own words, Kwame said his time in the US made him realize that “we have to reset the African personality to be more prideful.” You really think these dudes left the Black diasporan epicenter of the world and not be aware of the shortcomings of Africa that needed to be addressed? :childplease:

These dudes werent pulling shyt out their ass.
 

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Currently watching the first video and got to the first point :mjlol:

I get it. The guy is reaching and lacking context. But it instantly made me think of situations where following Jesus would mean theoretically “hating” your family (or your family hating you) and having to separate from family members/friends

In this case what many Christians experience right now in SOMALIA



It’s not that situations like this SHOULD be the norm when following Jesus, but perhaps Jesus knew the urgency of his message and the risks his followers would take in making such a life changing decisions

Remember breh, Following Jesus wasn’t a popular movement

All the early “Christians” were persecuted and many were killed

Call Jesus a realist and even a prophet for predicting the future but I wouldn’t say this statement is out of line.

Now from your perspective, we live in a Christian nation and not many followers of Jesus will face the consequences of losing their families

But it can happen

Remember Jesus said,

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

For some people it’s a battle just to identify as “Christian” in their country, family, community, etc…. And this thread is proof

I would love to see the missing context that you claim he is missing.
Many of those things mentioned aligns with behavior by cult leaders

I really can't tell what you are getting at with the rest of your post. Are you saying that Jesus was right in saying that you should give up your family to follow him if they don't want to be followers as well?


About the persecutions
Here is a bit for the article
Sanctus’ confession at Lyons in 177 AD symbolises of the collision between the Christians and the Roman Empire. The Roman authorities were faced with something that they could not comprehend; Romans adopting a new identity, which relativised the claims of patrias and pietas. But for the earliest Christians, recorded in Acts, things were very different. The Roman authorities were indifferent, or even friendly, to what appeared to them as a Jewish sect. At this stage persecution came the Judaism which Christianity had emerged from. The reasons are not hard to find. The Church was a threat to Jewish identity, already threatened by the Hellenistic world. Christians dispensed with the distinctive signs of circumcision, kosher food, and the temple (the issue in Acts 7: 44-50, and Acts 21:27-29). Their worst offence in Jewish eyes was the worship of a man as God. This hostility was increased by the refusal of Christians to join in successive revolts; and later Simeon Bar-Kochba could not tolerate the followers of a rival Messiah. The defeat of the Jews by the Romans ended any serious danger for the Church from this quarter; tragically, the Christians became the persecutors instead. When opportunity offered itself, as it did in Smyrna in 156, and in Asia in the late second century, Jews might still join Gentiles in attacking the Church.

Ironically, when the Christians faced hostility from the Gentile world, it was for the same reason that the Jews were also despised: their allegedly anti-social nature. For Tacitus the martyrs under Nero were convicted "not so much of the crime of arson, as of hatred of the human race." The Christians formed a group with distinct customs, who were severely critical of the mores of Roman society. What is more, they claimed that loyalty to the Church superseded all other loyalties. Between 150 and 200 many denunciations of Christians were made because one member of a family had been converted, and so threatened the unity of the family.

For the first two centuries AD, the infant Church had to face deep popular hostility. This was based not only on their "hatred of the human race", but on widespread misunderstanding of their practices, especially the Lord’s Supper. The martyrs of Lyons were accused of "Thyestean banquets and Oedipean intercourse", and in AD 200, the lawyer Minucius Felix made the same charges of cannibalism and incest. Minucius also believed that Christians worshiped an asses head, a charge reflected in the graffito from Ostia which shows one Alexamenos worshipping a crucified figure with the head of an ass. This curious misconception was probably a reflection of anti-Semitism.

As Christians became more numerous, and their beliefs more well known, the charges of immorality became harder to sustain. But one accusation is repeated time and time again- "Atheism"; rejection of the tutelary deities of their communities. This was a very serious matter; deities were believed to bring good fortune to a town, and slighting them might bring down their wrath. According to Tertullian: "If the Tiber reaches the walls, if the Nile does not rise to the fields, if the sky doesn’t move or the earth does, if there is famine, if there is, plague, the cry is at once: "The Christians to the lion!"" Outbreaks of persecution often coincided with natural disasters. Earthquakes in Asia in 152, and an outbreak of plague in Alexandria at the time of Origen, were blamed on the Christians. Around 270, Porphry blamed the plague in Rome on the fact that the temple of Aesculapius had been abandoned for the Christian churches. This sort of accusation was persistent; as late 419, Augustine wrote "The City of God" to prove that Christians hadn’t caused the fall of Rome by slighting the old gods. The charges of atheism and immorality help explain the hatred of the mob for Christians, evidenced in the pogroms in places such as Smyrna and Lyons
 

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My backstory kills your axe to grind bs as it makes no sense to be here if I felt such a way.

No, your posts on this board show you have an axe to grind and if you truly wanted to counter how Africans felt you'd go to where there are more of them and proselytize to them, like Nairaland. Instead you go to a low population derelict hip-hop/sports/hobby/trolling board that probably has more white people than Africans, most who are heavily Americanized anyways, to act out. It's stupid.


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He's still just an entertainer. I don't care how much you love him. I don't care how much this hurts your feelings. It's the truth. I'll never worship him and you'll have to use physical force to make me. We're both in Africa, so I'm willing to give you a chance to try. I want to see you try.

That said, none of this anecdotal shyt counters the actual proof that I posted. Actual report from actual historians. You typed up an essay because reality does not match what is in your head and you're trying to save face. It's pathetic really.


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I wont address what you posted so I will post pictures

:camby:

How silly it is to think the outright disappearance of Africans in traditional garb is the only way to prove Fela and other Africans who said as such right.

Worse is trying to say that the son of one of Nigeria’s foremost activists who made conscious music was simply an “entertainer” whose “mUsIc I lIKeD” sounding like a goof who never got into his music.
 

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How silly it is to think the outright disappearance of Africans in traditional garb is the only way to prove Fela and other Africans who said as such right.
You and that poster were wrong. Simple as. Stop trying to run from that point since that is the only thing being discussed right now. Plenty of Africans were wearing traditional garb before Black Americans started wearing dashikis. shyt makes no sense to think otherwise, especially when there's proof both in picture and in the account of others. Anyone that says otherwise is deluded, has an agenda, or talking about the people in their circle, which speaks to who they hang around and probably themselves than it does to an entire fukking continent. Stay mad. :umad:


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You and that poster were wrong. Simple as.
No Im not. Im going to listen to African freedom fighters who made astute judgements about the Africa they lived in.

You turned Fela’s statement into him saying there is a complete absence of Africans wearing traditional garb.

Intellectual dishonesty of the highest order. Your little copy/paste routine is all about the denial of a colonial mentality that exists on the continent
 

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No Im not. Im going to listen to African freedom fighters who made astute judgements about the Africa they lived in.

You turned Fela’s statement into him saying there is a complete absence of Africans wearing traditional garb.

Intellectual dishonesty of the highest order. Your little copy/paste routine is all about the denial of a colonial mentality that exists on the continent
Yes you are and this is proof you recognize the original point I'm responding to and proves that all this other stuff is you trying to distract from that. The only one being intellectually dishonest is you. So you're wrong, actual proof instead of anecdotes indicate this.

There is no instance where anecdotal evidence should be accepted over actual picture, actual accounts, and anecdotal evidence that supports this evidence. You haven't proven why I should do that.

A rehash of the previous stuff and more proof:




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Yes you are and this is proof you recognize the original point I'm responding to and proves that all this other stuff is you trying to distract from that. The only one being intellectually dishonest is you.
First, “Fela is just an entertainer.”

Dude grew up in an activist family

Second, you turned Fela’s view about a lack of cultural pride in traditional garb for western tastes into him saying its an outright disregard of native wear. That is completely dishonest.
 

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First, “Fela is just an entertainer.”

Dude grew up in an activist family
I don't care. He's still just an entertainer. I won't worship him like you do. That does not discount actual proof, actual historical account, and anecdotal evidence that lines up with the previously mentioned points.

Second, you turned Fela’s view about a lack of cultural pride in traditional garb for western tastes into him saying its an outright disregard of native wear. That is completely dishonest.
No. The original post said that Black Americans wearing dashikis in the 60's and 70's made Africans go back to wearing their ancestral clothing which is false. You agreed with this statement. This statement is false and you are wrong for agreeing with it. There is ample proof showing this statement is wrong. Simple as. Anything else is a different discussion. I will not budge from this.
 

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The Fck color was he supposed to be?

Do Africans think Jesus looked like Cesare Borgia?
Blame it on the colonizers and missionaries that brought Christianity to them.
They cover it in the documentary Savior Complex
 

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I would love to see the missing context that you claim he is missing.
Many of those things mentioned aligns with behavior by cult leaders

I really can't tell what you are getting at with the rest of your post. Are you saying that Jesus was right in saying that you should give up your family to follow him if they don't want to be followers as well?


About the persecutions
Here is a bit for the article

Here’s the bottom line breh

Jesus said:

Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Nothing should come between you and God

You don’t believe in God so you don’t understand this concept

Jesus was preparing his future followers for the worst and what to expect to encounter when they “give their life to Christ” and that’s what ended up happening to most his followers and Christians today face obstacles in their faith journey

Maybe this message simply isn’t for YOU because you don’t believe

You’re just a critic (like the guy in the video) on the outside looking in

Can you be a Christian and still love your parents and friends who aren’t Christians?

Of course. If you insinuate other wise you’re the one lacking common sense and comprehension skills

Put yourself back in 1st century Jerusalem

The reality of the times Jesus was preparing them for wasn’t all blue skies, he had to present the ultimatum worst possible scenario

Just to follow Jesus as a disciple You have to be prepared to “give it all up” and “take up the cross”

These are hyperbolic and metaphorical statements but I’m sure you get what it means.

If you seek for the negative in these verses you get out of it what you put in, because you’re a Christian “hater” at its core

But if you put it into context of Jesus being who he said he is, how much is that to ask from his followers

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it, and whosoever will lose his life for My sake shall find it.

This is about a drastic live change for GOD

Life or death decisions potentially and you’re crying about a verse saying be prepared to “hate your mother”

Come on, breh. Nitpicking at its finest

And yea it’s a CULT from your perspective but that isnt necessarily a negative word.

I’m sure the early Jesus movement was looked at as a spin off cult from Judaism

And we see it ended up changing the world for the better.

You expect a perfect world and that’s why YOU aren’t Christian and probably why many Jews of the time didn’t accept Jesus as messiah
 
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that's are problem right their
fing brainwashed

because of white cult missionaries come over there with that bull shyt

same thing they do in the caribbean.

gotta kill em like that people on that island killed that missionary
 
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