FBI Documents: William Cooper's Heavy Surveillance and Data collecting

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If they really staged the altercation leading to his death and this is evident, his family needs to make a big deal about wrongful death and expose the corruption within DOJ since it's near impossible to sue the government. Dude was martyred basically. He seemed like a stand up guy and I appreciate this work.

he moved his wife and daughter out of the country before he died out of fear for their safety.

 

[David_TheMan]

If they really staged the altercation leading to his death and this is evident, his family needs to make a big deal about wrongful death and expose the corruption within DOJ since it's near impossible to sue the government. Dude was martyred basically. He seemed like a stand up guy and I appreciate this work.

Man lawsuit against the government.
Look at Waco, Ruby Ridge, and Oklahoma City Bombing.
shyt doesn't make sense in either case and the government has refused to allow itself to be held accountable for their errors in all 3.

 

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Behold a pale horse was one of the books my Older God gave me when he put me on to the nation of gods and earths...
RIP-Knowledge the God
And Bill Cooper

 

[thekingsmen]

pledge of allegience didn't even exist formally until the 40s though, a lot of the signs and symbols used by the US government were directly taken from the Greek as well. USS Liberty was attacked by Israel, but I don't see how that ties into anything like the pledge before hand.

Liberty isn't greek but originally from Sumeria. Liberty in the sense of how it has signified this place since it's inception from quotes, currency, places of entertainment. I used USS Liberty for that very reason. This ship was targeted to signify the U.S.'s downfall.


The point isn't that the colonies were controlled by Britain or Americans, although the local press were controlled by the owners of said printing press, its that the idea of control of press and over the spreading of information has always been looked favorablly by those with power and governments as long as they have existed.

Agreed but it was less controlled than it is now. More free speech happened and voices of the unknown came forth. Now even small newspapers are controlled with gov't funding.


French Revolution wasn't Vatican nor Jesuit Order though, specifically, it was largely new atheists/agnostics but new intellectuals who were trying to put their eggs in the "science" basket, even though the science was largely unscientific and more draconian than what it replaced in terms of mandating the following of dogma. That said revolution was clearly anti-Catholic and largely sought to deChristianize the nation. So I don't see how you can try to posit it as a Vatican or Jesuit focused conspiracy.

My G....

The French Revolution 1789 | Jesuits in Britain

Weishaupt and his fellow Jesuits cut off the income to the Vatican by launching and leading the French Revolution; by directing Napoleon’s conquest of Catholic Europe [as the Order would do with Hitler]; by the revolt against the Church, led by such priests as Father Hidalgo, in Mexico and Latin America; by eventually having Napoleon throw Pope Pius VII in jail at Avignon until he agreed, as the price for his release, to reestablish the Jesuit Order. This Jesuit war on the Vatican was terminated by the Congress of Vienna and by the secret, 1822, Treaty of Verona. . . . Ever since, the Rothschilds have been the fiscal agents of the Vatican.”

Emanuel M. Josephson, Jewish American Physician & Historian: „The “Federal” Reserve Conspiracy & Rockefellers”, 1968


As for "at the same time" I never used that for "around the same time" it literally doesn't mean that, again seems like more BS from a con man like Gregory. I don't know what the NoI would have done before hand, but the words of the organization itself, as well as the knowledge that the FBI was actively fomenting a pull for power and trying to entice violence against Malcolm X to destabilize the organization, leads me to believe what happened to Malcolm was the result of the NoI, with help from the FBI. NoI tried to leave the man homeless, sent open threats against his life, to say they simmply wanted him quiet when they quite openly discussed killing hiim doesn't hold weight with me.

Can you provide evidence of Gregory being a con man?

FBI doesn't need NOI to kill Malcolm but words mean nothing when actions are capable all on their own.

It's not a matter of what you think of NOI doing to Malcolm by words. You need evidence that they killed him. That is something you don't have.

 

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[thekingsmen]

Higher learning ya'll

contribute or leave.

 

[David_TheMan]

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liberty is a concept, so when you say it goes back to sumaria you are literally making no sense to me. If you are talking about the goddess liberty that in the form of the Statue of Liberty was after the fact in the establishment of the country, not instrumental. As for the attack on USS liberty, it doesn't signify anything but an Israeli betrayal of the US for its own benefit and how powerful the Israeli lobby controlled the US government in covering it up from the people.

No, speech wasn't less controlled then than it is now, its literally because of that trial that the 1st amendment was added to the constitution (although it was quickly ignored with the Alien and Sedition acts.) That said thanks to the internet ability to disseminate information is the freest it has ever been in human history.

My G, going to an anti-jesuit site to source info that the revolution was caused by the jesuits isn't intellectually honest,
That said I have a book I've read entitled From Dawn to Decadence by Barzun that does a great job of tracing the French revolution to protestism.
Here is some talk in the 1800s that confirms the reformation being largely protestant driven, even though it was supported by agnostics and secularist as well, as a means to an end.
The Protestant Origins of the French Revolution: Contextualizing Edgar Quinet in the Historiography of the Revolution, 1789-1865

Such an argument became so pervasive that in 1800, the German Johann Georg Heinzmann, after a prolonged journey throughout France, noted in his continental travel narrative:

The French counter-revolutionaries say that the Protestants are the cause of the Revolution and that they degraded the clergy and disseminated free ideas, which are those of foreigners, not the French ... The republican French value Protestants and give them credit for the first victory of light over dark. The true revolutionary ... is a friend of the Protestants.[19]

To be a friend of the Protestant was to be a friend of the Revolution, because in the French as well as in the wider European imagination, as evidenced by Heinzmann, Protestants had not only benefited from the Revolution, but were of singular importance to its foundations. He remarked that by the end of the “Reformation in the sixteenth century, the door closed for those who wished to think and judge”.[20] Catholicism hindered freedom of conscience and served despotic monarchies best—a nod to Montesquieu’s correlation between religion and political preference. “If the French wanted a Republic,” he concluded, “they needed to cease being Catholics.”[21] For many republicans in the nineteenth century, the link between Reformation and Revolution underscored the continued importance of Christianity in a supposedly secular, revolutionary tradition.

I call Gregory a conman because he seems to me a businessman first above all things, while spouting like he is a major political activists and making claims that can't be sourced regularly. Such as the claim you want to buy into wholly about Malcom's death being the CIA/FBI.

You say you need more than words, back at you. You need more than Gregory's word. If Malcolm X was convinced the NoI was trying to kill him. If the NoI says they had a right to kill him and openly called for his death, there is nothing to argue with me, the NoI's actions and speech make the case very solid for me.

 

[thekingsmen]

liberty is a concept, so when you say it goes back to sumaria you are literally making no sense to me. If you are talking about the goddess liberty that in the form of the Statue of Liberty was after the fact in the establishment of the country, not instrumental. As for the attack on USS liberty, it doesn't signify anything but an Israeli betrayal of the US for its own benefit and how powerful the Israeli lobby controlled the US government in covering it up from the people.

Liberty is all sense. What is there to say. Google U.S. Liberty everything mentioned in U.S. history mentioning Liberty. It's an old concept but no country on earth uses "Liberty" as a symbol like here.


No, speech wasn't less controlled then than it is now, its literally because of that trial that the 1st amendment was added to the constitution (although it was quickly ignored with the Alien and Sedition acts.) That said thanks to the internet ability to disseminate information is the freest it has ever been in human history.

Read the old newspapers of the 1800's and early 1900's then we can talk. All what the EOPZ said has came true.


My G, going to an anti-jesuit site to source info that the revolution was caused by the jesuits isn't intellectually honest,
That said I have a book I've read entitled From Dawn to Decadence by Barzun that does a great job of tracing the French revolution to protestism.
Here is some talk in the 1800s that confirms the reformation being largely protestant driven, even though it was supported by agnostics and secularist as well, as a means to an end.
The Protestant Origins of the French Revolution: Contextualizing Edgar Quinet in the Historiography of the Revolution, 1789-1865

Anti-Jesuit site? I just gave you their OWN website. I got the other excerpt from a 1968 book.

Nice theory in that link, if that was the case Protestants would have controlled the social-political balance of France til this day. They don't and never did. The Protestants were always looked at the peasants of the Christian order of that time, they controlled no aspect of this. Freemasonry had the biggest part of TFR because it controlled from the start. This group was dying until the Jesuit Order took over. Abbe Sieyes was a jesuit who helped Napoleon B. gain power.


I call Gregory a conman because he seems to me a businessman first above all things, while spouting like he is a major political activists and making claims that can't be sourced regularly. Such as the claim you want to buy into wholly about Malcom's death being the CIA/FBI.

1. Do you know the history of Gregory right...he was a major political activist.
2. Are you lazy that you can't check his sources?
3.
Civil Case: King Family versus Jowers | The Martin Luther King Jr. Center for Nonviolent Social Change

Conspiracy Trial | The Martin Luther King Jr. Center for Nonviolent Social Change

After four weeks of testimony and over 70 witnesses in a civil trial in Memphis, Tennessee, twelve jurors reached a unanimous verdict on December 8, 1999 after about an hour of deliberations that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. In a press statement held the following day in Atlanta, Mrs. Coretta Scott King welcomed the verdict, saying , “There is abundant evidence of a major high level conspiracy in the assassination of my husband, Martin Luther King, Jr. And the civil court's unanimous verdict has validated our belief. I wholeheartedly applaud the verdict of the jury and I feel that justice has been well served in their deliberations. This verdict is not only a great victory for my family, but also a great victory for America. It is a great victory for truth itself. It is important to know that this was a SWIFT verdict, delivered after about an hour of jury deliberation. The jury was clearly convinced by the extensive evidence that was presented during the trial that, in addition to Mr. Jowers, the conspiracy of the Mafia, local, state and federal government agencies, were deeply involved in the assassination of my husband. The jury also affirmed overwhelming evidence that identified someone else, not James Earl Ray, as the shooter, and that Mr. Ray was set up to take the blame. I want to make it clear that my family has no interest in retribution. Instead, our sole concern has been that the full truth of the assassination has been revealed and adjudicated in a court of law… My husband once said, "The moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice." To-day, almost 32 years after my husband and the father of my four children was assassinated, I feel that the jury's verdict clearly affirms this principle. With this faith, we can begin the 21st century and the new millennium with a new spirit of hope and healing.”




You say you need more than words, back at you. You need more than Gregory's word. If Malcolm X was convinced the NoI was trying to kill him. If the NoI says they had a right to kill him and openly called for his death, there is nothing to argue with me, the NoI's actions and speech make the case very solid for me.

If NOI did it, it would easily be exposed and yet it's all a video of Farrakhan saying words and no actual evidence. Research the FOIA on Malcolm X's death.

 

[David_TheMan]

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Yes Liberty is a concept, yes US does a great deal of talking about respect for individual liberty, a lot of nations do, especially western europe. If you are talking about the symbol of lady liberty the french use it a great deal.

Reading newspapers from the 1800s does nothing to refute anything I've posted or the point I made that today, speech isn't limited to printing press ownership, but to anyone with a internet connection. That is how much freer the ability to disseminate information is, there is no longer any substantial monetary barrier to entry. speech and alternative avenues of media are more numerous now than in the history of the world because of the lack of barriers. On top of that to keep referring to the dead industry of printed media as if it is the standard currently

As for the jesuit site you are correct, I was wrong in the charge that it is an anti-jesuit site. I was wrong.

As for the claim if it was protestant they would control the political structure to this day, what is the rationale behind that? Seriously thats a thesis you introduce with no support whatsoever. You say they had no influence and never did, but we have numerous texts from people alive during the period that says counter to your claim, sorry but you have not given me any reason to take your word over theirs. As for jesuits helping napolean sieze power, okay, this has nothing to do with the French revolution seeing that napoleans ascension into power was effectively the end of all the gains and the formation of a dictatorship.

As for dikk Gregory I know exactly what he is and the stances he claims, I have sat through one of his speeches when he came to speak at Ala St. I remember him being very anti-capitalist but then hawking diet material that would help you live longer over the course of his speech. That is snake oil to me and I've see that with my own eyes.

He listed no sources to check, so it seems to me you are the one lazy to think his word is a source for his statement.

You then post a wall of text about the King trial, when I we were talking a specifically about malcolm X's death. a testbook example of misdirection if i ever saw one.

If NoI did it why would it be easily exposed? Especially if the US government had a undercover agent in the NoI actually trying to make it happen? There is no actual video or evidence of what dikk Gregory claims either, yet you don't seem to be able to hold your conclusion to the same standard as you claim I need to, even though there is clearly more circumstantial evidence that points to the conclusion the NoI was involved, than Gregory's claim which is partially factually incorrect and unsourced. I have actually looked at the FOIA on Malcolm's death, which is why I know about the FBI's program to cause internal strife and play Malcolm specifically against Louis. Its why I now about suspected FBI agents in the NoI. All that said if you can provide any source to support what Gregory says outside himself I'm open to read and review it.

 

[thekingsmen]

Yes Liberty is a concept, yes US does a great deal of talking about respect for individual liberty, a lot of nations do, especially western europe. If you are talking about the symbol of lady liberty the french use it a great deal.

We agree to disagree.



Reading newspapers from the 1800s does nothing to refute anything I've posted or the point I made that today, speech isn't limited to printing press ownership, but to anyone with a internet connection. That is how much freer the ability to disseminate information is, there is no longer any substantial monetary barrier to entry. speech and alternative avenues of media are more numerous now than in the history of the world because of the lack of barriers. On top of that to keep referring to the dead industry of printed media as if it is the standard currently

I never said it's limited to however...internet didn't exist in 1900's however my example is that you can find community newspapers sponsored by the communities all over the country. The information wasn't suppressed like claimed.


As for the jesuit site you are correct, I was wrong in the charge that it is an anti-jesuit site. I was wrong.

It's cool, it's dialogue.

As for the claim if it was protestant they would control the political structure to this day, what is the rationale behind that? Seriously thats a thesis you introduce with no support whatsoever. You say they had no influence and never did, but we have numerous texts from people alive during the period that says counter to your claim, sorry but you have not given me any reason to take your word over theirs. As for jesuits helping napolean sieze power, okay, this has nothing to do with the French revolution seeing that napoleans ascension into power was effectively the end of all the gains and the formation of a dictatorship.

Protestants would have gain political power if they controlled the F.R.( leadership and all). Who were the leaders of their movement?
Show me where the protestants who were a small percentage of the country then had clout. Both Jesuits and Freemasons were the leaders of the F.R. the people who followed like the brain dead angry mob was the protestants.



As for dikk Gregory I know exactly what he is and the stances he claims, I have sat through one of his speeches when he came to speak at Ala St. I remember him being very anti-capitalist but then hawking diet material that would help you live longer over the course of his speech. That is snake oil to me and I've see that with my own eyes.

So you are pro-capitalist and don't like diets. That doesn't make him a con man. His speeches have been constantly and easily vetted on correct info or not.




He listed no sources to check, so it seems to me you are the one lazy to think his word is a source for his statement.

If a claim is made, the best thing you should do is research it...period. Nothing hard about it.


You then post a wall of text about the King trial, when I we were talking a specifically about malcolm X's death. a testbook example of misdirection if i ever saw one.

What I thought you mentioned was MLK...my bad. However the King trial is the perfect example of proof behind assassination plans for Black Leaders.


If NoI did it why would it be easily exposed? Especially if the US government had a undercover agent in the NoI actually trying to make it happen? There is no actual video or evidence of what dikk Gregory claims either, yet you don't seem to be able to hold your conclusion to the same standard as you claim I need to, even though there is clearly more circumstantial evidence that points to the conclusion the NoI was involved, than Gregory's claim which is partially factually incorrect and unsourced. I have actually looked at the FOIA on Malcolm's death, which is why I know about the FBI's program to cause internal strife and play Malcolm specifically against Louis. Its why I now about suspected FBI agents in the NoI. All that said if you can provide any source to support what Gregory says outside himself I'm open to read and review it.[

Unless you have any spec of evidence of NOI involvement in MX's murder...I have alittle more proof here.


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[thekingsmen]

@88m3 troll your ass out of a job.

 

[David_TheMan]

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No problem agree to disagree.

Well my central argument was that supression of the press by governments was always done and not something that came about via zionism or something predicted by the protocols.

Its dialogue but I was wrong and I am a stand up guy, if I'm wrong I acknowledge and own up to it. That said thanks for accepting my apology.

I would disagree with your contention that the people who followed were brain dead protestants. The very act of what the enlightenment was pushing was born of european protestantism, which first questioned the authority of the church and was the european root of the concept and value of individual right and lliberty usurping that of a king, of a faith, and of a nation. The very soul of the revolution was protestant inspired thought, and again I've provided sourcing from people in the time who credit the protestants for the Revolution. This is simpy a matter we will have to agree to disagree.

What I am is irrelevant, what he is is what is important. If you claim you are anti capitalist but engage in capitalist enterprises you are a hypocrite to me, because you dont live what you preach, which makes him a conman in my eyes.

If a claim is made verbally and nothing is given outside of hear say there is nothing to research, that is what Gregory provided, hear say, nothing able to verified.

No problem with MLK murder, there was an actual investigation into facts and research, if Gregory could point to the same level of research in his claim about Malcolm I would be prone to believe him.

Just read your article, the man doesn't present much concrete fact and uses a lot of innuendo to make his case. He mentions the house bombing, but its also be theorized the NoI was behind that, seeing that they were suing to get him evicted and then pulled the lawsuit and the fire occured. That said again, it might be a matter of degree more than anything else, I don't doubt the government was involved, I just believe the NoI was eager to be used and took initiative after light suggestion.

 

[thekingsmen]

No problem agree to disagree.

Well my central argument was that supression of the press by governments was always done and not something that came about via zionism or something predicted by the protocols.

Your argument should be how the new U.S. government suppression came later after the corporations became stronger. Zionism helped solidify more control. Notice free speech on campus is suppressed if it doesn't agree with Israel.


Its dialogue but I was wrong and I am a stand up guy, if I'm wrong I acknowledge and own up to it. That said thanks for accepting my apology.

It's cool, most people aren't debating properly and discussing things like gentlemen.


I would disagree with your contention that the people who followed were brain dead protestants. The very act of what the enlightenment was pushing was born of european protestantism, which first questioned the authority of the church and was the european root of the concept and value of individual right and lliberty usurping that of a king, of a faith, and of a nation. The very soul of the revolution was protestant inspired thought, and again I've provided sourcing from people in the time who credit the protestants for the Revolution. This is simpy a matter we will have to agree to disagree.

Like I mentioned before, your link had a great theory however there was no true leader of this movement that rose to some kind of fame. That movement is hardly mentioned in FR. However protestants would have rose to power in somehow and changed the climate of France for over 100 plus years but they didn't do that.



What I am is irrelevant, what he is is what is important. If you claim you are anti capitalist but engage in capitalist enterprises you are a hypocrite to me, because you dont live what you preach, which makes him a conman in my eyes.

So how do you survive in a system created around the world that you can fight against at the same time? D.G. can't make his own system, its not allowed by Roman Canon Law.


If a claim is made verbally and nothing is given outside of hear say there is nothing to research, that is what Gregory provided, hear say, nothing able to verified.

He gave you the FBI FOIA files to go by....why haven't you spent the time to check it out?

No problem with MLK murder, there was an actual investigation into facts and research, if Gregory could point to the same level of research in his claim about Malcolm I would be prone to believe him.

Gregory mentioned in many videos before about MLK murder the same way he mentioned Malcolm. What he said was co-signed by Steve Cokely.


Just read your article, the man doesn't present much concrete fact and uses a lot of innuendo to make his case. He mentions the house bombing, but its also be theorized the NoI was behind that, seeing that they were suing to get him evicted and then pulled the lawsuit and the fire occured. That said again, it might be a matter of degree more than anything else, I don't doubt the government was involved, I just believe the NoI was eager to be used and took initiative after light suggestion.

While he doesn't present concrete, the article mentions the same info as Gregory and Cokely's info. Not one person I've heard or read up on has info on NOI's on Malcolm's death. Take it with a grain of salt but it's farther than the theory you have.

 

[David_TheMan]

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Suppression of press came immediately after the US came to existance though, Alien Sedition Acts attest to this.

Protestants had their foot holds in England and Germany and Brussels and Geneva, France was not safe for them being heavily and violently suppported by the Catholic church. That said on this issue we'll simply have to agree to disagree.

If you are a committed anti-capitalist, you live your ideals, you don't claim to live one way then jump on voluntarily and act in a capitalist system. He sells his comedy, his speeches, and his diet mix. You would think he would admit that capitalism has been very good to him financially, but he proceeds to live in hypocrisy and i have no excuse to make for him, he is simply a hypocrite. Don't tell drinking will ruin your life and you all need to reject this system, while you are engaging in the same system. That is perfectly fair critique.

No he didn't give me any FBI files to go by he didn't give me case numbers, packet numbers, nothing but his word and he wasn't there because he had to get out of town so they wouldn't get all of them.
Here are the FBI and NYPD autopsy reports, none of them say any of the buckshots came from a downward angle it does say that he had a upward wound on his right knee
NYPD Report On Autopsy

Cokley and dikk's statements don't make hard evidence though, and MLK was entirely different than the malcolm X situation.

The theory I have has information confirmed by FBI memo's that were released that openly state the FBI was seeking to break down the noi internally. The theory i have has court records that have the NoI filing to evict Malcolm from his home and then pulling the lawsuit before the home was firebombed. The theory i have has the NoI openly stating they want to kill him, opnely has Farrakhan saying if they killed him so what its a NoI issue, and openly has Malcolm X saying they were trying to kill him. You have presented opinions from non-actors stating opinion that isn't substantiated by much outside of their own thoughts and feelings.

 

[thekingsmen]

Suppression of press came immediately after the US came to existance though, Alien Sedition Acts attest to this.

What does it have to do with Free of Speech and Press?


Protestants had their foot holds in England and Germany and Brussels and Geneva, France was not safe for them being heavily and violently suppported by the Catholic church. That said on this issue we'll simply have to agree to disagree.

There is core Protestant history in England, Germany, Brussels, Ireland, Scotland which shaped the history of these countries, however in France it was much different.


If you are a committed anti-capitalist, you live your ideals, you don't claim to live one way then jump on voluntarily and act in a capitalist system. He sells his comedy, his speeches, and his diet mix. You would think he would admit that capitalism has been very good to him financially, but he proceeds to live in hypocrisy and i have no excuse to make for him, he is simply a hypocrite. Don't tell drinking will ruin your life and you all need to reject this system, while you are engaging in the same system. That is perfectly fair critique.

You didn't answer my question. How do you suppose him to survive in a system created with laws that can't be broken?



No he didn't give me any FBI files to go by he didn't give me case numbers, packet numbers, nothing but his word and he wasn't there because he had to get out of town so they wouldn't get all of them.
Here are the FBI and NYPD autopsy reports, none of them say any of the buckshots came from a downward angle it does say that he had a upward wound on his right knee
NYPD Report On Autopsy

Get or request a FOIA so you can get thousands of pages of info on MX if you don't believe him. If you go pass the little link you have you will see that the FBI stated the FOI had no involvement in MX killing. It's easy to think buckshots were had gone upward when he was knocked down. Anyone knows when you are shot by a shotgun, you fall back.


Cokley and dikk's statements don't make hard evidence though, and MLK was entirely different than the malcolm X situation.

How is it different? Other than MLK's family filed a suit against the government.



The theory I have has information confirmed by FBI memo's that were released that openly state the FBI was seeking to break down the noi internally. The theory i have has court records that have the NoI filing to evict Malcolm from his home and then pulling the lawsuit before the home was firebombed. The theory i have has the NoI openly stating they want to kill him, opnely has Farrakhan saying if they killed him so what its a NoI issue, and openly has Malcolm X saying they were trying to kill him. You have presented opinions from non-actors stating opinion that isn't substantiated by much outside of their own thoughts and feelings.

Has FOI broken up? No. Again where is Farrakhan in the AutoBahn?