FDA grants full approval to Pfizer vaccine

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This dude is FURIOUS. :banderas:

There's tons of info in this thread explaining these vaccines. No one is going to quit worrying about what the rest of people are doing because Covid-19 is a PUBLIC, not private, health crisis.

then go out in PUBLIC and get to advocating and get off the coli. you're not convincing anyone here
 

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i am not calling into question 72 hours (etc) because I don't want to dragged down into arguments that I am NOT trying to make but I do find the "take it and run with it to make blanket statements approach without qualification" a bit troubling.

for example:

most things that enter your body are no longer present in their constituent form 72 hours later. that doesn't mean that everything within that extensive range of substances cannot be dangerous and/or have side-effects, sometimes even side-effects that remain unresolved. just because something is broken down within your body within 72 hours (and hence no longer remains) it doesn't mean ipso-facto that that thing has not had nor has engendered directly or indirectly nor will so engender a negative side-effect.

we are dealing with a new frontier.

consider similar discussions with Curie/radiation back then before we better understood radiation: "it is in a sealed chamber so how can it hurt you"? would have been one such understandable line of reasoning back then.

even the corona virus itself (once no longer detectable in the body) has demonstrated the ability to leave behind negative effects which are will-o-the-wisp nebulous in form, the breadth of which is still being studied and expanded upon and for which the root causes remain largely a mystery.

there has to be room on here to separate the discussion of the science from the rabid "anti-vaxxers".

it is possible to simultaneously think that the vaccines are doing good (so far) without unquestioningly accepting all and sundry regarding them without critical, and sometimes very critical, critical thought [sci.].

that is all.

so I am willing to accept 72 hours as formulated in the arguments presented here but for me personally there are caveats.



This is not necessarily true.

Substances that tend to have long term effects either bioaccumulate (mercury) , cause chain reactions (uv radiation and DNA for example), or alter a biological pathway through chemical signaling. And those long term effects are usually magnified with long term exposure/use (like taking a particular medicine for months or years).


What separates mRNA from the Marie curie example is that we already have a good understanding of the life cycle of mrna as opposed to the radiation chemistry that she was exposed to.
 

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:sas2:Co-worker just told me that her sister and father just contracted covid even though they previously been vaccinated in order to continue to work for the state

your personal experiences mean exactly NOTHING when it comes to MILLIONS of doses administered.

think macro, not micro. The vaccines work.
 

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This is not necessarily true.

Substances that tend to have long term effects either bioaccumulate (mercury) , cause chain reactions (uv radiation and DNA for example), or alter a biological pathway through chemical signaling. And those long term effects are usually magnified with long term exposure/use (like taking a particular medicine for months or years).

What separates mRNA from the Marie curie example is that we already have a good understanding of the life cycle of mrna as opposed to the radiation chemistry that she was exposed to.

we do not understand the body that well and certainly do not understand the causative reasons for many common diseases.

you send "tend to" and that is definitely the case. there is nothing exhaustive about it.

example where we do not understand: Narcolepsy

"The exact cause of narcolepsy is unknown, with potentially several causes"

"Narcolepsy - Wikipedia"

example of a vaccine "shown" to lead to Narcolepsy (which was NOT picked up during 1-3 trials)

 

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Do you already refuse to go into hospitals and schools that require their workers or students to get childhood vaccinations or the flu shot?
I haven't been to a school since I graduated college and it wasn't required then. I'm never sick so I have no reason to go to a hospital either. But even if I have to, I can find one that won't refuse patients.
 

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sad to hear the news, out of curiosity though did they get the Johnson N Johnson vax cuz most people agree that particular vaccine is trash
 
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