Feds charge six men accused in plot to kidnap Michigan governor Big Gretch

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  1. re'up

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    There's no doubt that economic circumstances play a role in deviant behavior, esp. when it comes to indoctrination into movements like that, but the author of that tweet is going too far, too fast into the "economic anxiety" defense. There is no doubt that economics play a role though. There's no chance, essentially, that 6 men, with fulfilling, well paying jobs venture into something as delusional as that Whitmer plot.
     
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    Damn. This is one of the most profound insights I’ve seen on this thread.

    It’s true. Any large black movement either radical or economical is always met with some kind of overwhelming deterrent.

    Black Wall Street, Wilmington massacre, Philly bombing of 85.

    But the slow grind of respectability politics nudges things forward at a slow almost glacial pace.
     
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    The problem with the tweet isn’t that the source is economic it’s that he thinks liberal policy will fix it.

    There’s another kind of economic anxiety. It’s the kind that isn’t about how well you are doing but how much better you are in relation to your neighbor(immigrant).

    Many of these dudes would be happy in a small house, truck, hunting, and a fat wife.

    The reason immigrants bother them is cause they usually don’t want those things. They want their family and to move on economically from those conditions.
     
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    you can see a microcosm of it when it comes to the role of riots and vandalism in the george floyd protests. many concerned black folk in these cities feel very motivated to prevent other blacks from taking part in vandalism and those with access to media were adamant that much of the damage was done by "antifa" and not local blacks. there were some viral videos of black women chastising white men for allegedly giving bricks to black teens during the protests and others even accuse police of staging piles of bricks in areas so people will do vandalism which then, presumably will give them the need to use a stronger hand in policing the community.

    then we got bill clinton's comments at the john lewis funeral about stokley carmichael that frame acceptable and unacceptable black reactions to grievance as being based on how the democrat party feels about them.

    that original tweet about white economic suffering being a motivator is wrong not because poverty doesnt cause violence, it does, but because the most dangerous politically motivated violence comes from privilege. studies of islamic terrorism do not show a strong link between poverty and terror attacks. in fact, the most hardcore al qaeda tend to be middle class or higher. in america, our worst domestic terrorist attacks come from the kind of people who have sympathetic sheriffs. those same sheriffs punish black people collectively so we will do our part to not let our politics go down that road - and for those that persist, COINTELPRO will deal with them.
     
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    Crimes against society in a literal sense, are going to generally committed by people who are outside of it, like these 6. They are disenfranchised, even if they don't realize it. Of course, there are those who do these things from relative positions of privilege, or prosperity, but they are mostly a minority. That's a key factor of radicalization. If you feel like society is working for you, making good money, living a relatively good life, you won't feel like unraveling it.
     
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    This shyt is terrifying.
     
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    That sheriff needs his badge and pension taken away.
     
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    The FBI has charged 6 men for plotting to kidnap Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer and overthrow the state government, while state authorities say they have charged 7 other men in connection to the case who sought to ignite a civil war. What do you think?


    “Sounds like Governor Whitmer has 13 voters to win over before reelection.”

    MISHA ALBANESEBOAT VALET





    “What part of ‘stand back and stand by’ did these idiots not understand?”

    JOSH DENGELUNEMPLOYED


    “They shouldn’t feel too bad, no one overthrows the government on their first try.”

    NATE SETTLEMIRE • FOREST DEPUTY

    FBI Charges 6 In Violent Plot To Kidnap Michigan Governor

    I always fine these insightful
     
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    :mjpls:
     
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    I'd say country is broken but this is pretty much how they want it
     
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    lol because kidnapping a governor doesn't cause mayhem...


    this is why we have to vote
     
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    The axe murderer For I am death and I ride on a pale horse

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    The absolute state of the judicial system.
     
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    Domestic terrorism laws are very ill defined, and essentially nonexistent and don't serve the reality anymore. The kidnapping and conspiracy charges are more than enough to get 10 year plus prison sentences, but these cases that hinge on confidential informants aren't as solid as they look, "morally" and legally.
     
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    Once domestic terrorism laws are in the books then you won’t gett instances where this just dismissing it but make no mistake those dudes are done on the conspiracy charges
     
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    Yeah because planning and plotting to kidnap and kill a state governor isn't intent. Smh
     
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