Fellow future Xbox One owners how will you buy your games?

[winb83]

A console isn't a pc...

A firmware update built into the disc isn't the same as an online connection in order to play. So a check when you boot the disc/install the game on the PS4 hard drive is nothing. After that is done you can play. Fine. If they require an online check (installed when you install the game), again, that's on the publisher, not Sony.

if it goes down what difference does it make if its on Sony, Microsoft, or the publisher? the end result is it happening. its like all you care about is Sony vs Microsoft and this is a talking point for you.

its like the example i gave. you come home from work and see your house was broken into and i approach you and tell you "yeah i was sitting on my porch with my rifle and some guy broke into your house." is your reaction gonna be its on the thief or is it gonna be "well damn nikka why didn't you stop him if you had a gun?"

you understand if Sony allows them to do stuff like this the end result is the same or worse.

 

[Rekkapryde]

so you'd rather have an online check everytime you play a game. Instead every 24 hours. Just so you can say "sony left it up to the developers"

Man stop, just because yall takin Ls left and right don't mean everyone has to.

If there is an online check, then again, that is on the Publisher. Not mandated on the system end. Let them take the backlash. If the PS4 dis game is required to be in the drive even if it's installed to the hard drive....whoop dee doo. I can live with that. But forcing online and cutting off potential customers is dumb.

So on Monday, when Sony continues to reinforce what they've said for months that the PS4 will not require and online drm checkin and can be 100% functional offline, don't get mad. If EA or Activison or Ubi wants to do something on their end, let them. But they'll take the backlash that goes with it all on their own which is the way it shoudl be.

I still dont' get why MS would require the check for a single player game. They should at least make a concession on that front.

 

[Rekkapryde]

So what happens when the online checkin isn't enforced on the PS4 by the publishers and only on the XB1?

fukk all servicemen?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Man stop, just because yall takin Ls left and right don't mean everyone has to.

If there is an online check, then again, that is on the Publisher. Not mandated on the system end. Let them take the backlash. If the PS4 dis game is required to be in the drive even if it's installed to the hard drive....whoop dee doo. I can live with that. But forcing online and cutting off potential customers is dumb.

So on Monday, when Sony continues to reinforce what they've said for months that the PS4 will not require and online drm checkin and can be 100% functional offline, don't get mad. If EA or Activison or Ubi wants to do something on their end, let them. But they'll take the backlash that goes with it all on their own which is the way it shoudl be.

why does the backlash matter?

If the end user experience is the same or even worse in the fact that you'd have to check everytime you play the game and you don't get the benefits of the other system. Why do you care who gets the backlash?

 

[Rekkapryde]

why does the backlash matter?

If the end user experience is the same or even worse in the fact that you'd have to check everytime you play the game and you don't get the benefits of the other system. Why do you care who gets the backlash?

If I can play my system offline without needing to check in when the street lights come on for my favorite game, that sounds good to me. And Sony has said they won't require it themselves which means you will still be able to play games offline without checking in. Now it may not be for all Publishers (we'll find out this week), but if so, oh well. There are other games out there.

 

[winb83]

so you'd rather have an online check everytime you play a game. Instead every 24 hours. Just so you can say "sony left it up to the developers"

At the very least i'll say this; Microsoft set a standard (i would have prefered they just say no). things could get far worse if you leave it up to publishers.

these guys can't see past it isn't required at the system level to see that publishers could backdoor implement a worse system on PS4 if Sony doesn't set a standard or outright block DRM.

how about publishers distribute games with activation codes that can't be transferred at all? how about if you give the game to a friend on your friend list they have to pay full retail to boot the game instead of one transfer? how about you can't trade in or resell publisher x's game at all because it requires on online activation code to even play it that comes from the publisher?

 

[Rekkapryde]

At the very least i'll say this; Microsoft set a standard (i would have prefered they just say no). things could get far worse if you leave it up to publishers.

these guys can't see past it isn't required at the system level to see that publishers could backdoor implement a worse system on PS4 if Sony doesn't set a standard or outright block DRM.

how about publishers distribute games with activation codes that can't be transferred at all? how about if you give the game to a friend on your friend list they have to pay full retail to boot the game instead of one transfer? how about you can't trade in or resell publisher x's game at all because it requires on online activation code to even play it that comes from the publisher?

How can a publisher force you to pay to boot if you don't connect online?

If it only requires the disc code to boot/install, fukk it, do that and don't go online if you are the person borrowing the game.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I wonder how Sony is gonna work out a system that allows you to play games directly off the hardrive but you don't have to check online. How are they gonna stop people from installing and playing the games on multiple systems?

 

[winb83]

How can a publisher force you to pay to boot if you don't connect online?

If it only requires the disc code to boot/install, fukk it, do that and don't go online if you are the person borrowing the game.

i own a Playstation Vita. Sony puts software on the games that check to see what firmware you're at and if you aren't at a certain firmware you can't play the game.

you honestly can't see a publisher installing software on your PS4 that's required to play their games?

Ubisoft could have Ubiplay launcher on PS4 and all Ubisoft games disc boot to that launcher that lets you sign into your Ubisoft account and checks your account to see if you activated the game you're trying to boot and if you didn't activate that game the game will never load.

sure you can say not all publishers will do it but once one gets away with it and kills used game sales and boost revenue how long before the others copy? how long was it before online passes were copied last gen?

if Sony says we'll let the publishers decide their own DRM they aren't protecting you from stuff like that. they're just like you said letting the publishers take the heat for something they could have stopped. the end result is the same.

 

[Rekkapryde]

i own a Playstation Vita. Sony puts software on the games that check to see what firmware you're at and if you aren't at a certain firmware you can't play the game.

you honestly can't see a publisher installing software on your PS4 that's required to play their games?

Ubisoft could have Ubiplay launcher on PS4 and all Ubisoft games disc boot to that launcher that lets you sign into your Ubisoft account and checks your account to see if you activated the game you're trying to boot and if you didn't activate that game the game will never load.

sure you can say not all publishers will do it but once one gets away with it and kills used game sales and boost revenue how long before the others copy? how long was it before online passes were copied last gen?

I know that, I have a Vita too. A firmware check is not in the same league as to what we are talking about. PS3 discs have firmware on them if your shyt isn't updated due to some not having internet access. And it will install the updated firmware (which I'm sure the PS4 will continue to do for those with no ability to update online). Then you can play your game without having the internet.

Nice try though....

 

[Fatboi1]

i own a Playstation Vita. Sony puts software on the games that check to see what firmware you're at and if you aren't at a certain firmware you can't play the game.

you honestly can't see a publisher installing software on your PS4 that's required to play their games?

Ubisoft could have Ubiplay launcher on PS4 and all Ubisoft games disc boot to that launcher that lets you sign into your Ubisoft account and checks your account to see if you activated the game you're trying to boot and if you didn't activate that game the game will never load.

sure you can say not all publishers will do it but once one gets away with it and kills used game sales and boost revenue how long before the others copy? how long was it before online passes were copied last gen?

if Sony says we'll let the publishers decide their own DRM they aren't protecting you from stuff like that. they're just like you said letting the publishers take the heat for something they could have stopped. the end result is the same.

What game requires that?

 

[Rekkapryde]

What game requires that?

PS3 Games have the latest PS3 firmware on the disc so it will update your system.

 

[Danny Up]

If you buy X1 then you are a lunatic....

A console that spies on you, breh..

X1 belongs in the

WTF? Everything spies on you.

 

[Fatboi1]

PS3 Games have the latest PS3 firmware on the disc so it will update your system.

He said Vita games does that. I want to know what vita game exactly WON'T boot without an updated firmware.

 

[winb83]

I know that, I have a Vita too. A firmware check is not in the same league as to what we are talking about. PS3 discs have firmware on them if your shyt isn't updated due to some not having internet access. And it will install the updated firmware (which I'm sure the PS4 will continue to do for those with no ability to update online). Then you can play your game without having the internet.

Nice try though....

have you ever bought a PS3 game that installed to your HDD and the install was required or you couldn't play the game?

what i'm saying is that's the same principal. you buy the game it forces an install and once the install happens it jumps into a verification screen on that installed software and tries to go online. if it can't go online and verify the actual game never loads. if it gets online and access publisher x's servers and you don't have a license for said game it will offer you the purchase at full MSRP.

if Sony says we'll leave DRM up to the publishers how are they preventing something like that? you think because the hardware doesn't require internet the software can't either? you think all publishers have to sell you a game disc that boots straight to the actual game with no mandatory installs?

i conceived that process in my head in less than 2 minutes. you think a publisher can't come up with that and implement it? all they'd have to do is slap an online required label on the package. doesn't matter if the console functions offline or not at that point.