Feminism vs Gender Equality

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You want white people to recognize their institutional racism and work with you to change it?

then you should be able to recognize institutional misogyny and work with women to change it.

Intersectionality is key. Racism is a large part of black men getting locked up, or killed, or left in the dirt financially, leaving their seeds father less.

But add the layer of Misogyny upon racism, and you see those women now raising kids in states that don't provide women with quality female-specific care, they make less money for the same jobs (yes this is even true of black people), and in general are discriminated against much more for their physical appearance than other cultures. That's in addition to the already enforced norms of "blackness".

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As a member of an oppressed people, its easy for me now to see the systemic oppression of other peoples (Women, latinos, native americans, poor people, etc)
 

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SHORTY'S COMPLEXION IS BEAUTIFUL. DIDNT HEAR A DAMN THING SHE SAID.
 

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You want white people to recognize their institutional racism and work with you to change it?

then you should be able to recognize institutional misogyny and work with women to change it.

Intersectionality is key. Racism is a large part of black men getting locked up, or killed, or left in the dirt financially, leaving their seeds father less.

But add the layer of Misogyny upon racism, and you see those women now raising kids in states that don't provide women with quality female-specific care, they make less money for the same jobs (yes this is even true of black people), and in general are discriminated against much more for their physical appearance than other cultures. That's in addition to the already enforced norms of "blackness".

:manny:


As a member of an oppressed people, its easy for me now to see the systemic oppression of other peoples (Women, latinos, native americans, poor people, etc)

The wage gap is a myth.
 

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The wage gap is a myth.

http://www.vice.com/read/calling-bullshyt-on-the-men-who-think-the-pay-gap-is-a-myth

In, before "more women need to go for STEM jobs and take less maternity leave" when the vast majority of American history as shunned women through tradtitional gender norms to NOT be scientists, engineers, chemists and the sort.

And every other civilized nation gives new parents maternity leave men and women.

Soooooo....what are we talking about here?

The same people who say the wage gap between men and women is a myth are the same ones who say the employment gap for black people is a myth. Its an exercise in ignoring the sociological and socio-economic factors that have plagued a certain group.

Again...beyond the simple DATA and obvious social enviroment. I just don't see any issue with wanting women to have more opportunity, same for black people, latinos and LGBT people.
 

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http://www.vice.com/read/calling-bullshyt-on-the-men-who-think-the-pay-gap-is-a-myth

In, before "more women need to go for STEM jobs and take less maternity leave" when the vast majority of American history as shunned women through tradtitional gender norms to NOT be scientists, engineers, chemists and the sort.

And every other civilized nation gives new parents maternity leave men and women.

Soooooo....what are we talking about here?

The same people who say the wage gap between men and women is a myth are the same ones who say the employment gap for black people is a myth. Its an exercise in ignoring the sociological and socio-economic factors that have plagued a certain group.

Again...beyond the simple DATA and obvious social enviroment. I just don't see any issue with wanting women to have more opportunity, same for black people, latinos and LGBT people.

Here's one from feminist themselves.

http://www.aauw.org/files/2013/02/g...and-men-one-year-after-college-graduation.pdf

Pay attention to why the graphs are the way they are and then common sense will kick in and you'll figure out quite soon why the "same work" is bullshyt.


You don't seem to understand that just because Frank and Jessica works for a mining company that doesn't mean that Jessica is working down in the mines along side frank. I'm pretty sure if Jessica did and put in the same exact hours as Frank then the pay would be equal or possibly greater depending on how long each colleague has worked for said company.
 

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Feminism vs Gender equality

Sounds just like the battle between black lives matter and all lives matter.

Women can matter but only in the context that ALL humans matter
Black people can matter but only in the context that ALL races matter.

Heaven forbid we try to advance our situation for our own sakes...no we must worry about ourselves and others as well
 
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