She wasn't the leader of the women's rights movement, nor did she invent it. She was just one major voice among others. A lot of other feminists, yes, including White ones, contributed a lot to ending Black slavery.
Feminists on the coli
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She wasn't the leader of the women's rights movement, nor did she invent it. She was just one major voice among others. A lot of other feminists, yes, including White ones, contributed a lot to ending Black slavery.
I'm sorry if that's the case. But don't let one or two posters make you feel like this.
I'm all for robust debate/constructive criticism so long as it's rooted in logic and reason. I'm sure other posters are as well.
NobodyReally
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Well at least we agree on that.
The Electric Lady
Post and toke
In order to buy this you have to have the limited number of brain cells to conclude that all of these women are the same people. The irony of being for black rights and being mad when black people are all put into one group without any thoughts of their own and doing it to women is an adorable one.
Plus, the second one, I highly doubt even happened. And a lot of guys - especially white men - have lots of weird ideas on what "fat" is to begin with as seen on this very site.
NobodyReally
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Not really. bell hooks got a lot of her ideas from other scholars who came before her. Regardless, this philosophy speaks to me.
I feel like your image of black feminists is very skewed. It's like the convo we were having about not letting a sour few spoil perceptions of the many. I definitely think there are some black feminists who have written off black men completely, but there are many more who want some sort of collaboration/cooperation/mutual understanding about our common and very different struggles as black women and black men. That's the only way we all win. But completely denying and ignoring some of the challenges that come with being both a woman and being black isn't going to help our community in the long run.
The Electric Lady
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I'm not sure where they get this. Anthony was a leader in women's suffrage. Women's suffrage != feminism. It's a side tangent, not the whole deal. More than that, she was an abolitionist. Yet you've got smart dumb nikkas like Poitier bringing up supporting white supremacy.
Elle Driver
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A western thing? Lol. If you want to align yourself with all women, you can be a feminist. All the power to you. However, I'm for the empowerment of black women idgaf about any other women.
so called black feminists attack white women almost as much, if not more than they attack white men. What exactly do yall want white feminists to do? a white girl attempting to reach out or express any kind of sisterly solidarity with black women will get greeted with a universal >
< seen it play out on x100 times.
Elle Driver
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I never said she invented it, however you are right she was a major voice but at the day of the day my point remains that her voice and her views don't represent mine as a black woman.
so called black feminists attack white women almost as much, if not more than they attack white men. What exactly do yall want white feminists to do? a white girl attempting to reach out or express any kind of sisterly solidarity with black women will get greeted with a universal >
seen it play out on x100 times.
They are so bitter and see through
Elle Driver
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She was an abolitionist? White people are agents and vessels of white supremacy regardless of their so called beliefs. If you actually believe white women support in the advancement of black women, or women of color you're very mistaken. If that were the case, womanism wouldn't have to exist. The struggle of black women are unique, we're women and black.
NobodyReally
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so called black feminists attack white women almost as much, if not more than they attack white men. What exactly do yall want white feminists to do? a white girl attempting to reach out or express any kind of sisterly solidarity with black women will get greeted with a universal >
seen it play out on x100 times.
Hey, you see what you want to see. I've seen black feminists and white feminists collaborate. But then again, I'm active in real life. I don't browse the internet cherry picking things that only support my worldview.
The Electric Lady
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A western thing? Lol. If you want to align yourself with all women, you can be a feminist. All the power to you. However, I'm for the empowerment of black women idgaf about any other women.
That's you then, I guess. Above all, I'm a humanist, and I try to make things better for people, not just those who share my gender or skin color.
Personally, I find your cause limited in method and scope. Life is about more than "I got mines". Naturally, taking away women's rights in general will affect those who are near the bottom, namely hispanic and black women. Supporting rights for all women will help you see your end goal. You think that the abortion laws just affect black women? No, it fukks with everyone, and black women will be the ones that will be the ones who pick up the pieces. Life is like a river, it all has forks and breaks but it also is birthed from the same place. Just caring for ones own self shows a lack of understanding of life and the impact of choices people make. It's also the same line of thinking white people apply when they try to keep down black people. You are perpetuating the same thing and continuing an endless cycle of ignorance. You have, in effect, learned nothing from your own suffering.
But I won't try to change your mind, because I know we all have our own views and our own life experiences is what influences them.
I love black men. I don't know why black feminists have this look that they hate black men? I don't see myself ever being with a man who isn't black, yet I'm labeled as a lesbian and black man hater.
I'm not looking at it from my experiences with individuals. I'm looking at the effect the movement's had, along with systematic injustice, on blacks in america.
Generally speaking, I don't see how black feminism has had a positive effect on the black community.
I've seen black feminism, along with white women, clamor for high profile black males to be brought down.
I've seen black feminism advocate for a full-fledged matriarchy in the black community, while minimizing the role of black men in families and in the community.
I have yet to see black feminism as a movement call out the bad apples among its bunch.
I have yet to see black feminism actively challenge dominant society.
Please feel free to address my shared concerns with many other men of color.
NobodyReally
Superstar
They are so bitter and see through
So was Malcolm X bitter and see through when he said: ""I've never seen a sincere white man, not when it comes to helping black people. Usually things like this are done by white people to benefit themselves. The white man's primary interest is not to elevate the thinking of black people, or to waken black people, or white people either. The white man is interested in the black man only to the extent that the black man is of use to him. The white man's interest is to make money, to exploit".
Please trust, there are sincere white feminists, but there are many white feminists who "reach out" as a way to appear non-racist. It bolsters their agenda. I've worked with both types.